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Re:Chilling legal memo from Obama DOJ justifies assassinatio... by jfoster on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @06:22AM (#6436989)
Yeah, that's one of the problems. You'd hope the agencies involved are only taking these actions where they have extreme certainty. And even if they do have that super-high certainty, it still is an execution without a trial, which makes a lot of people uneasy. Utmost transparency (probably has to be after-the-fact) into each case where this is done might help to put some people a little bit more at-ease about it. In cases where they get it wrong due to negligence, you might hope to see prosecutions as a result of the transparency.

It feels like this is one of those polarizing issues where each side is too scared to admit advantages of a different point of view in case they lose some ground. Everyone takes an extreme view for/against, the debate doesn't address the finer points of reality, and no one changes their mind or comes to more reasonable compromises.

Re:Chilling legal memo from Obama DOJ justifies assassinatio... by grey-area on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @06:57AM (#6437103)
Yeah, that's one of the problems. You'd hope the agencies involved are only taking these actions where they have extreme certainty.

The problem with this is that it requires us to trust our intelligence agencies, but they have shown themselves to be duplicitous, quite willing to lie to congress under oath, and unworthy of trust. Even by their own admission they have not been taking these actions when they have extreme certainty - people are killed who are "not specifically targeted".

There is no way to make assassination without trial by the executive transparent and accountable - that's why we have a court system and independent judiciary, and a whole host of laws protecting the accused. Subverting that entire legal system is very dangerous and we shouldn't allow it, because if we do, there is no legal impediment to stop laws used for terrorists being turned against others who oppose the state.

Re:Chilling legal memo from Obama DOJ justifies assassinatio... by vdaniuk on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @06:41AM (#6437045)
Your argument to moderation is one of the classical fallacies. Maybe there are no reasonable compromises and one of the extreme views is correct.
Re:Chilling legal memo from Obama DOJ justifies assassinatio... by jfoster on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @08:14AM (#6437394)
Well, assuming there is a "correct" view. I can't see what it would be. Nothing will be perfect. My primary point is that the merits of each approach should be acknowledged. Anyone who claims that all of the merits are at one extreme is deliberately lying or blinded by their extremism.