Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by nightski on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @03:05AM
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Well in a private by default world, browsing the internet just became one hell of a lot scarier. Any page you visit could become a felony.
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Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by EliAndrewC on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @10:23AM
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Not so, because as others in this thread have stated, the key is intent.
Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by nitrogen on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @01:01PM
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Judging intent doesn't really work at scale. That's why we invented access controls.
Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by res0nat0r on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @03:06PM
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Access controls are in place, but they aren't absolute. Hence why intent is key in this case, and why he was found guilty.
Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by nightski on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @08:33PM
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Ah wonderful, so now I have to worry about how my intentions might be perceived by the government when visiting a publicly accessible web page.
But the company leaking consumer information to the public without any proper security at all is not punished.
Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by res0nat0r on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @09:20PM
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Yes. If you accidentally stumble upon something you shouldn't and don't exploit it or sell it to someone when you know you clearly shouldn't be you will be fine. It is pretty straightforward.
Everyone here keeps purposefully ignoring intent, but in the context of the law this is impossible. So no matter how much you hate it, this isn't something that can be a binary yes/no illegal/legal question based on some computer response to your query.
Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by victorf on Wednesday September 25, 2013 @12:43AM
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He didn't exploit it or sell it and he's fucked. We're ignoring intent because a crime has yet to be committed. Intent doesn't matter without a crime. If intent is the only dividing line, you are in favor of thoughtcrime.
Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by res0nat0r on Wednesday September 25, 2013 @02:55AM
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Well...his crime actually was that he intentionally accessed data he knew he should not have been accessing. That is a crime. Thus he was found guilty. I'm not sure why this is so hard to reconcile or is being purposefully ignored just because this crime is one of many that involves a computer.
Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by victorf on Wednesday September 25, 2013 @01:10PM
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Please show me the section of US legal code regarding intentional access of data one knows one should not be accessing; without mentioning trespass, which he did not do, and without mentioning causing a computer to act in a manner the owner does not desire, which he also did not do.
Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by res0nat0r on Wednesday September 25, 2013 @03:54PM
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Sorry no legal code offhand, but you can surely break the law without trespassing and "causing a computer to act in a manner the owner does not desire". This shouldn't be hard to comprehend.
The law involves intent. They proved he intended to act in bad faith while gathering that data and he was rightfully found guilty.
Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by victorf on Wednesday September 25, 2013 @10:05PM
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The law requires intent and a crime. If you cannot tell me which specific crime, your argument is invalid.
Why you are having a hard time understanding that "we put him in jail because we don't like what he did" is wrong I have no idea. You must be a troll disagreeing on purpose.
Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by res0nat0r on Thursday September 26, 2013 @10:11PM
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His crime was obtaining information he knew he shouldn't have been accessing. He didn't get out in jail because someone didn't like what he did, he got put in jail because he broke the law.
Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by victorf on Thursday September 26, 2013 @10:36PM
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That's not a crime, which is why I asked you to point out the appropriate legal code. You are now considered a troll. Have a nice day.
Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by res0nat0r on Thursday September 26, 2013 @11:16PM
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Actually it is. He was found guilty.
Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by victorf on Friday September 27, 2013 @01:01PM
(#6457997)
Oh, I see the problem now; you have no conception of how the law works and no inclination to learn it.
Re:This hacker might seem shady, but throwing him in jail is...
by tankenmate on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @11:17AM
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And we peer into the mind of a third party how?