If you control for Ango-Saxon admix, it seems that the US will have a very similar homicide rate to other Ango-Saxon nations. Higher, perhaps, but probably only by a bit:

http://www.realclearscience.com/journal_club/2013/07/22/yout...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_St...

4 times higher

Also, this map pretty much demolishes the 'violent USA' and 'loose guns controls cause homicide' theories:

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/images//MurderRate2007.jpg

If you know basic arithmetic you should be able to point the flaw with that map. I'm pretty sure that this is what the NRA uses in their speeches.

If its so obvious, share with us.

How do you figure that?

The first link gives an upper bound of 1.32x higher... and it'd probably be a solid bit less given that youth murder rates are higher than adult murder rates...

I understand that you might be unhappy with the US murder rates, and you are trying to paint a different picture. I get that. But lets not make up cases, exclude/include different scenarios, races, demographics, etc., a la politicians, I thought this was Hacker News, facts over bullshit. Macro numbers are what they are: "Total Murders divided by Country's Population".

I'm not talking about the cause behind the murders, but just the rate. But hey, bottom line, believe whatever you want, I'm not here to make you hear what you want.

If you want to determine the cause behind that macro number, you control for it.

No bs.