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Re:How China brainwashed American POWs using a classic sales... by stephengillie on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @11:10PM (#6409559)
The religious education that my parents gave me through childhood counts as brainwashing.
Re:How China brainwashed American POWs using a classic sales... by dspillett on Thursday September 19, 2013 @02:06AM (#6410112)
Correct, it just gets call "indoctrination" as that sounds nicer and it is often (though far from always) more subtle as it is more of a "long game" thing.

It is one of those "one person's X is another person's Y" comparisons: indoctrination/brain-washing, religion/cult, freedom-fighter/terrorist, cute cat / insane evil sharp edged ball of allergens, ...

Re:How China brainwashed American POWs using a classic sales... by saraid216 on Thursday September 19, 2013 @02:32AM (#6410177)
No, the nicer sounding word is "explanation".
Re:How China brainwashed American POWs using a classic sales... by dspillett on Thursday September 19, 2013 @11:43AM (#6412331)
I don't agree there. Explanation would be more "I do/think/believe X because" where indoctrination is more "you should do/think/believe X because".

A more passive form of indoctrination would be repeated explanation (with or without query/prompt) so explanation can become indoctrination depending on context, but I'll stand by my choice of words above.

Re:How China brainwashed American POWs using a classic sales... by saraid216 on Thursday September 19, 2013 @04:23PM (#6414023)
Your examples answer the wrong question.

"Where do rainbows come from" can be answered with the explanation "As a way to show God's promise to Noah never to flood the Earth again" or with the explanation "because sunlight refracts through water into all the different colors we can see" or with the explanation "invisible unicorns fly through the sky sometimes and leave rainbows where they've gone".

Many people would call one or more of these indoctrinations, despite the complete lack of "should" in any of the responses. Egocentrism does not a benignity make.

Re:How China brainwashed American POWs using a classic sales... by victorf on Thursday September 19, 2013 @01:46AM (#6410055)
I don't know if you are being facetious or not, but I think all religious teachings for children count as brainwashing.
Re:How China brainwashed American POWs using a classic sales... by troels on Thursday September 19, 2013 @02:16AM (#6410132)
Alao if the religious beliefs are agnosticism? Basically, by this definition, all parenting is brainwashing.
Re:How China brainwashed American POWs using a classic sales... by tedunangst on Thursday September 19, 2013 @03:09AM (#6410272)
no, no, no, if you teach your children beliefs I approve of, that's different...
Re:How China brainwashed American POWs using a classic sales... by Sandman on Thursday September 19, 2013 @03:41AM (#6410359)
Not if you teach your children critical thinking and to base their opinions on something provable.
Re:How China brainwashed American POWs using a classic sales... by xerophtye on Thursday September 19, 2013 @04:57AM (#6410592)
Then you're still doing brainwashing/indoctrination. Let's not forget, it's "irrespective of the opinion's merit".

Besides, just as you hold your "must be provable" views dear, similarly the religious parent holds his or her religious views dear.

Re:How China brainwashed American POWs using a classic sales... by philwelch on Thursday September 19, 2013 @06:01AM (#6410749)
I think there's a useful distinction between teaching a set of opinions that must be held regardless of evidence and teaching the practice of forming one's own opinions based upon evidence, but it's a tricky point to make.
Re:How China brainwashed American POWs using a classic sales... by omegant on Thursday September 19, 2013 @03:45AM (#6410375)
I would say that the oposite is true. Brainwashing takes the same mecha isms that we use as humans to be able to learn our how to behave in the society, and how to learn to be a person. I have small kids and they are like empty disks looking for something to copy. They copy behaviours that sourround them and make them part of their personality.

Adults just slow down the writting but we always try to fit in the social group that we are living. And that includes political opinions, faith, etc...