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Re:Bowery – The Next Generation of Web Development by JacksonGariety on Monday September 16, 2013 @11:51AM (#6393850)
> Our Philosophy: Web development is terrible.

Go fuck yourself, Bowery.

Re:Bowery – The Next Generation of Web Development by javajosh on Monday September 16, 2013 @04:05PM (#6395545)
But web development is terrible. There are so many approaches, languages, frameworks, and philosophies - its incredibly hard for newbies to enter the field.

Educational systems have evolved a solution for this kind of thing: you isolate newbies from conflict. You essentially lie to them, you simplify the situation, and tell them "do this". They do it, and now they know something. Now they have a bit of skin in the game, they have a data point to participate in future academic conflict.

But with modern web dev, the conflict is up-front-and-center, and newbies are not isolated from it.

Bowery, GAE, and meteor address these issues in a very similar way: they make reasonable up-front decisions about how an app should be structured. You can deviate, but the defaults are not bad.

These decisions are a real pain point for a lot of people, and I think that's what they meant with that statement. I would also add: be careful defending complexity. It is very easy for a professional who's built a career navigating complexity to descry reductions to that complexity, as it will directly affect her ability to make money.

Re:Bowery – The Next Generation of Web Development by rgbrgb on Monday September 16, 2013 @12:32PM (#6394091)
Though it didn't need the expletive, I totally agree with the sentiment. This 'Philosophy' is offensive to all of your would-be early adopters. Like I work on building web stuff all day and kind of enjoy it. The people contributing to all of the open source projects on github probably kind of enjoy it. Have a little respect.

If you're going to write a mission statement, don't start it with "X sucks". That's not a mission and it's certainly not a philosophy.

Re:Bowery – The Next Generation of Web Development by elsigh on Monday September 16, 2013 @12:44PM (#6394178)
+1 Not a friendly developer message at all. This point of view reeks of arrogance.