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Re:New NSA Leak Shows MITM Attacks Against Major Internet Se... by andrewcooke on Friday September 13, 2013 @12:28PM (#6381475)
if that's the case, how did they get the private key from verisign? was it stolen? did verisign simply give them it? or was it obtained under some kind of legal process? if it was under a legal process, doesn't this raise additional questions about the judicial overview - did they realise how broad this was?
Re:New NSA Leak Shows MITM Attacks Against Major Internet Se... by anon1385 on Friday September 13, 2013 @01:26PM (#6381813)
Sounds like it could be any of those things: they use all those tactics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/us/nsa-foils-much-internet...

Because strong encryption can be so effective, classified N.S.A. documents make clear, the agency’s success depends on working with Internet companies — by getting their voluntary collaboration, forcing their cooperation with court orders or surreptitiously stealing their encryption keys or altering their software or hardware.

N.S.A. documents show that the agency maintains an internal database of encryption keys for specific commercial products, called a Key Provisioning Service, which can automatically decode many messages. If the necessary key is not in the collection, a request goes to the separate Key Recovery Service, which tries to obtain it.

How keys are acquired is shrouded in secrecy, but independent cryptographers say many are probably collected by hacking into companies’ computer servers, where they are stored. To keep such methods secret, the N.S.A. shares decrypted messages with other agencies only if the keys could have been acquired through legal means. “Approval to release to non-Sigint agencies,” a GCHQ document says, “will depend on there being a proven non-Sigint method of acquiring keys.”

Sounds like there are plenty of possibilities: they have agents working at verisign/they broke into verisign (either physically or electronically)/they just asked and verisign said ok/they used legal processes.

Re:New NSA Leak Shows MITM Attacks Against Major Internet Se... by juhanima on Friday September 13, 2013 @03:20PM (#6382534)
> they used legal process

They used a secret legal process. There, fixed that one for you!

Re:New NSA Leak Shows MITM Attacks Against Major Internet Se... by vabmit on Friday September 13, 2013 @03:46PM (#6382658)
Didn't Assange say in a (secretly?) recorded video where he was talking with Schmidt and another person that while the Americans got trusted root keys from Diginotar, the Chinese hacked Verisign and grabbed their root keys? I'll see if I can find the video.
Re:New NSA Leak Shows MITM Attacks Against Major Internet Se... by socillion on Saturday September 14, 2013 @12:57AM (#6384708)
Great tip! It's not exactly what you laid out, but here's the interview you're probably thinking of (ctrl+f verisign): http://wikileaks.org/Transcript-Meeting-Assange-Schmidt

Quoting Julian Assange: I have been told actually that VeriSign... has actually given keys to the US government. Not all, but a particular key.

Very interesting.

Re:New NSA Leak Shows MITM Attacks Against Major Internet Se... by pflanze on Saturday September 14, 2013 @09:54AM (#6385544)
I don't get why everybody talks about Verisign or others giving them "keys". The NSA just need certificates for their own key, right? The only private key that Verisign could give them would be their signing key, which seems much too powerful and central for a signing authority to hand out.