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Re:The Student Loan Bubble is Starting To Burst by dnautics on Monday September 09, 2013 @07:54PM (#6357116)
> What we should be doing is allowing lenders to discriminate by major and school. Good school with a good degree? Lend. Good school with a shitty degree? Lend with extreme caution caution. Fake school with any sort of degree? Tell them to kindly fuck off.

No disagreement here.

I don't want to give the perception that I think "for-profit" higher education is problem-free. I do think they have severe problems, but putting a disproportionate amount of attention on them is distracting to the problem that the "non-profits" are - which has a bigger societal impact, since they are serving more people. "For-profits" are just an easy target because of the broad social perception that profits breed evil, where many of those evildoings are just as bad in the "non-profit" higher educational sector.

Re:The Student Loan Bubble is Starting To Burst by rayiner on Monday September 09, 2013 @08:37PM (#6357256)
No, for-profits are a problem. They account for 10-13% of students, but 25% of student loans, and 50% of defaults. They have no academic standards, because they have no concern for academic reputation in the way traditional institutions do, and can seek to enroll the largest possible classes without worrying about keeping up GPA/SAT medians.
Re:The Student Loan Bubble is Starting To Burst by dnautics on Monday September 09, 2013 @09:27PM (#6357453)
I agree that for-profits are a problem.

To put my objection more clearly: Don't use the IRS designation to whitewash "non-profits", which are in many ways acting just as atrociously as "for-profits" anyway. Your statistics miss something important - the socioeconomic class that is consuming the non-profit product comes with some inherently lesser risks vis a vis default (for example: I presume more "non-profit" college consumers are going to be able to cover their asses, debt-wise, with help from their parents). What happens when you correct for that, what is the magnitude of difference? The "non-profit" statistics also encompass schools where you are clearly going to have less of a problem getting a job afterward. What happens if you look at the LOWEST tier of "non-profit" university and compare it to the "for-profit"? I would presume that you would find very little difference.

Re:The Student Loan Bubble is Starting To Burst by muzz on Monday September 09, 2013 @08:58PM (#6357324)
Agreed. Article in San Jose Mercury News just yesterday:

http://www.mercurynews.com/education/ci_24041125/profit-coll...

The good news:

"Last year California cut from its tuition aid program more than 130 private colleges with low graduation rates and too many student loan defaults. Some wonder if the federal government will follow the state's lead to hold colleges responsible for their performance.

Today, only 50 for-profit schools in California remain eligible for state-subsidized tuition; 115 do not"

Re:The Student Loan Bubble is Starting To Burst by pyre on Monday September 09, 2013 @11:39PM (#6358026)
> low graduation rates

> hold colleges responsible for their performance

Sounds like a recipe for lowered standards...

Re:The Student Loan Bubble is Starting To Burst by jlgreco on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @01:06AM (#6358270)
That's why you factor in job placement rates. Degree-mills are already a problem.
Re:The Student Loan Bubble is Starting To Burst by fnordfnordfnord on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @08:41AM (#6359610)
For "workforce training" in Texas, we have a rolling average criteria (along with several other metrics). Which is good, because economic fluctuations affect the job market. Some classes just can't seem to catch a break.

To add to that, they tighten the noose with every legislative session. It appears to be the intention to make our pay proportional to "graduate success"; which will likely end up meaning GPA. That would put the same incentives in place for public college instructors that have existed in for-profit schools.

Re:The Student Loan Bubble is Starting To Burst by thomaslangston on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @01:23AM (#6358333)
Loan default rates were also mentioned.
Re:The Student Loan Bubble is Starting To Burst by cloverich on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @12:14AM (#6358131)
Am i the only person that see's those types of numbers, and correlates them with the type of students the school attracts - the student who did not - or could not - enter into an accredited 'regular' university?

Which is not to say that should necessarily impact the degree of scrutiny those schools receive. But perhaps worth considering - if they are serving students who are likely to get no education at all, is it better / worse? Honest, question - no implications here. Just think its something worth discussing.

Re:The Student Loan Bubble is Starting To Burst by dnautics on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @03:23AM (#6365962)
these students are worse off. Because now they have a useless degree, some sunk time, and debt. But I think non-profits can be just as bad if not even worse, because the degree is still useless, there's just as much sunk time, and even more debt (since many nonprofits are more expensive than for-profits).