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Re:Universe May Contain “Tardis” Regions Bigger On The Insid... by astrobe_ on Monday September 09, 2013 @11:00AM (#6353851)
Since you seem to have some insights on the topic -- the article points out that

> Lavinto and co say that when light enters a Tardis region, it is deflected sharply by the greater curvature there. That’s not what astronomers observe at all

Given that "light" is, I believe, our only way to observe the universe, how can one tell that it is not deflected?

I mean if for instance the heliosphere had some unknown refractive properties, how could we discover it since we only have light to determine the position of objects outside of the solar system?

Re:Universe May Contain “Tardis” Regions Bigger On The Insid... by pdonis on Monday September 09, 2013 @01:45PM (#6354915)
how can one tell that it is not deflected

We can't easily detect small amounts of deflection in distant parts of the universe because, as you say, we usually have nothing to compare our observations to. (In the case of light being deflected by the Sun's gravity, we can compare how a certain part of the sky looks--i.e., a certain particular grouping of stars--when the Sun is in that part of the sky, vs. when it isn't, and measure the deflection that way. But for light deflection in distant parts of the universe, there's no easy way to do that.)

However, the presence of large amounts of deflection would show up easily: we would frequently see multiple images of the same objects. In fact we only see such multiple images rarely, which indicates that there aren't any regions of large light deflection in our universe.

if for instance the heliosphere had some unknown refractive properties, how could we discover it

The same way we discovered that the Sun's gravity bends light. See above.

Re:Universe May Contain “Tardis” Regions Bigger On The Insid... by JonnieCache on Monday September 09, 2013 @12:23PM (#6354377)
I think until gravitational wave observatories start to work, we are indeed stuck with light. And maybe neutrinos and other particles, but they aren't very good for observing things due to our inability to make a "lens" for them, no?
Re:Universe May Contain “Tardis” Regions Bigger On The Insid... by yk on Monday September 09, 2013 @01:23PM (#6354756)
We measure spectra. So there would be no way to measure the redshift of a single wavelength, e.g. a laser, but since we have the full spectra, we can measure the relative position of spectral features and the wavelength of these features to compare them with laboratory measurements.
Re:Universe May Contain “Tardis” Regions Bigger On The Insid... by pdonis on Monday September 09, 2013 @01:46PM (#6354929)
we can measure the relative position of spectral features

That will only tell us about redshift/blueshift; it won't tell us anything about what path the light took to get to us.

Re:Universe May Contain “Tardis” Regions Bigger On The Insid... by yk on Monday September 09, 2013 @11:18PM (#6357955)
Yes, but that is a rather general problem. Best you can do is to look at the so called Lyman-alpha forest, which gives you essentially the mass distribution along the path. And this gives you a good estimate for the deflection.
Re:Universe May Contain “Tardis” Regions Bigger On The Insid... by pdonis on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @12:16AM (#6358138)
The mass distribution isn't necessarily a good proxy for the deflection. Lyman alpha lines are from absorption by hydrogen gas clouds; the average effect of those on the path of light is likely to be close to zero, because the clouds are diffuse and more or less homogeneous (i.e., their average density on large length scales is pretty much the same everywhere). The "Tardis region" model requires large deflections of light at the boundaries between the "Tardis" regions and regions of normal density, which will not average out since there aren't enough such boundaries between us and the distant supernovas that are our main line of evidence for the accelerating expansion of the universe.
Re:Universe May Contain “Tardis” Regions Bigger On The Insid... by yk on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @01:26AM (#6358339)
I did not read the tardis paper, but the mass distribution gives you at least a upper limit, in the sense that if there is not much mass in one direction, then there is also not much deflection. At least in more or less normal models.
Re:Universe May Contain “Tardis” Regions Bigger On The Insid... by pdonis on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @12:05PM (#6360897)
In more or less normal models, yes; but as I read the Tardis paper, the whole point is that it is not a more or less normal model.