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Re:The feds pay for 60 percent of Tor’s development. Can use... by anxiousest on Friday September 06, 2013 @09:44PM (#6343604)
Its source code is available for audit and scrutiny, so yeah. If you're looking to spread FUD do that to the closed source stuff.
Re:The feds pay for 60 percent of Tor’s development. Can use... by qq66 on Friday September 06, 2013 @09:52PM (#6343618)
Open source isn't a guarantee of safety for two reasons:

1) It's highly possible that there are federal government agencies with knowledge of encryption and security beyond the current state of the art in academia. There could be deliberate vulnerabilities that even the most highly regarded researchers/academics in the field could not detect.

2) Even if you trust the source, the source can be compromised elsewhere in the toolchain (the compiler could turn safe code into malicious code). Unless you trust every element of your toolchain, you trust nothing (from a mathematical sense -- of course it's much more complicated, and thus less likely, to compromise Tor through its own source code rather than gcc's source code).

Re:The feds pay for 60 percent of Tor’s development. Can use... by shawnz on Friday September 06, 2013 @09:57PM (#6343631)
> It's highly possible that there are federal government agencies with knowledge of encryption and security beyond the current state of the art in academia. There could be deliberate vulnerabilities that even the most highly regarded researchers/academics in the field could not detect.

That's true, but Tor uses encryption that is common in many other products. Even if it were a privately owned product, it probably would have been implemented in a very similar way.

> Even if you trust the source, the source can be compromised elsewhere in the toolchain (the compiler could turn safe code into malicious code). Unless you trust every element of your toolchain, you trust nothing (from a mathematical sense -- of course it's much more complicated, and thus less likely, to compromise Tor through its own source code rather than gcc's source code).

OP is not talking about whether or not perfect security is possible. They are talking about the possibility of Tor specifically being backdoored, since it originated within and is funded by the U.S. government.

Re:The feds pay for 60 percent of Tor’s development. Can use... by autoexec on Friday September 06, 2013 @10:52PM (#6343742)
I doubt tor is backdoored, but it has it's own security issues. I wouldn't doubt for a second that three letter agencies are running a huge amount of nodes on the tor network and doing everything they can to correlate traffic and associate connections to individuals. At the end of the day, you can't rely on tor alone to keep you safe or anonymous on the internet.
Re:The feds pay for 60 percent of Tor’s development. Can use... by Jach on Friday September 06, 2013 @10:41PM (#6343712)
> the compiler could turn safe code into malicious code

While I agree toolchain compromises are a concern, this particularly famous one of backdooring a compiler has a counter: http://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust/

Re:The feds pay for 60 percent of Tor’s development. Can use... by anxiousest on Friday September 06, 2013 @09:58PM (#6343638)
I'm not suggesting it's impossible, I'm just saying that it's much more difficult to hide stuff in OSS thus less likely. It's the closed source stuff you ought to be more suspicious of.
Re:The feds pay for 60 percent of Tor’s development. Can use... by bdcravens on Friday September 06, 2013 @10:29PM (#6343689)
I originally had a snarky comment about not trusting nodes, then reread what you said as well as the article, and realized that's a different issue... the article is questioning trusting the Tor Project due to DoD funding; your response is you can trust the code they generate as it's open for review. So now I have completely different snarky response :-)

How many users are downloading and compiling source? If you're running a binary you didn't compile, it's really no different than being closed source. (Unless you get the MD5 sig from an independent, trusted third party, and verify yourself)

Re:The feds pay for 60 percent of Tor’s development. Can use... by thex86 on Friday September 06, 2013 @10:38PM (#6343708)
I am sorry, but this is just wrong.

a). For all the bundles, they are signed by the Tor developer who packages them. The signatures are clearly visible with the downloads.

b). Most importantly:

Tor is moving towards deterministic builds: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/deterministic-builds-part-o...

Different people build the Tor Browser Bundles on Gitian (look it up), and they will have the same hashes. So unless ALL of these people are lying, if their hashes match, you can be convinced that it is the same binary as you would get by compiling it.

Re:The feds pay for 60 percent of Tor’s development. Can use... by pshc on Friday September 06, 2013 @11:17PM (#6343814)
Re: Tor deterministic builds link

That writeup is really fucking cool. You should submit it as its own story!

Re:The feds pay for 60 percent of Tor’s development. Can use... by thex86 on Friday September 06, 2013 @11:33PM (#6343850)
Thanks, just did!
Re:The feds pay for 60 percent of Tor’s development. Can use... by Michael_Murray on Friday September 06, 2013 @11:56PM (#6343901)
This argument only works if you believe that there are enough people who understand the complexity and nuance within the system at a level sufficient to understand it.

It goes back to the design of DES - the NSA influenced small design changes in the SBoxes that had implications that only they understood. This gave an advantage, even though the algorithms were completely "open source".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Encryption_Standard#NSA.27...

In that case, they made the encryption STRONGER. But they certainly showed how that type of influence could happen.

I don't happen to be enough of a conspiracy theorist to believe that they're messing with Tor - there are better ways, especially when a vast majority of the traffic isn't through Tor.

Re:The feds pay for 60 percent of Tor’s development. Can use... by adamnemecek on Friday September 06, 2013 @09:48PM (#6343613)
But that assumes that the feds don't have any aces hidden in their sleeves that you don't know about, like some backdoors or something.