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Re:H1B restrictions would choke US of talent by nostrademons on Saturday May 30, 2009 @11:17AM (#633720)
1) In my view, the problem is that there are too many restrictions on H1Bs, not too few. Notably, they should be able to switch employers without being deported (I guess they can now, but I've heard the time window to get a new employer to pick up your sponsorship is ridiculously short, and the amount of red tape your new employer has to cut through is considerable). This would cut the competitive disadvantage that an H1B has because they're effectively locked in to one employer, which would raise their salaries up to the market price.

2.) I'm all for it, because it recognizes that programmers are not interchangeable. I find it ironic that the same people who complain about employers treating them like interchangeable cogs in a wheel then turn around and argue that H1Bs are taking jobs away from them, which implies that they are interchangeable cogs in a wheel. One or the other, man - either you are a beautiful unique snowflake, in which case you have nothing to worry about from H1B competition, or you aren't, and should worry about becoming one because you're screwed wage-wise anyway.

Your post has also touched on a couple pet peeves on mine, which are:

3) I find it disconcerting that after all the time I've spent with computers, one of the biggest factors in my career is still that I was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts. There're many Indian or Chinese programmers who study for years - since they're little kids - so that they can do well on the college entrance exams, get into IIT or Chinghua, and then emigrate to the United States in a reasonably high-paying tech field. It seems vaguely un-American that being an American trumps smarts, hard-work, and prudent risk-taking.

4) What's with this deification of a particular price level ("should pay he market price of MY country")? I see this with home and stock market prices too - people assume that whatever the high is what prices should always be, and will go to great levels to keep them from going down. The market price is a signal - it tells you whether there is currently more supply for an industry than demand. If there is, perhaps you should adjust your behavior accordingly (eg. find a different subspecialty) instead of complaining about wages falling.

Re:H1B restrictions would choke US of talent by zaidf on Saturday May 30, 2009 @11:51AM (#633771)
By your logic, all the folks that pickup trash in India should be allowed to move to America and work at a cheaper price than Americans. I am guessing you are also not in favor of the idea immigration, preferring instead a world where anyone can go and work anywhere.

  Notably, they should be able to switch 
  employers without being deported
Agree. That would fix a lot of the issues. But good luck trying to get that through the corporate-backed H1B lobby that thrives on the uncompetitive nature of H1B.

  H1Bs are taking jobs away from them, 
  which implies that they are interchangeable cogs
In most cases where I have heard that argument, it is someone arguing that their job can't be outsourced out of America. They seem to be right if you have to bring the H1Bs into America to replace them. If you can replace Tom in Cambridge's job with someone in Delhi, I have no problem with that.

  one of the biggest factors in my career 
  is still that I was born in Cambridge, 
  Massachusetts
The solution to that is not to import someone who is willing to work less expensively into your country to replace you.

And regardless, the idea behind H1B was never to create "fairness" between the haves and the have-nots. The goal of H1B is a selfish one: to help America. If it is not doing that, it's time to reconsider.

If you want an H1B-like visa to address the disparity between the Indian and the American developer, have a debate in Congress and create a new category(some would argue we already have many, ie. the green card lottery).

  The market price is a signal - it tells 
  you whether there is currently more supply 
  for an industry than demand.
Agree, but that assumes the market is open and fair. With H1Bs it is not as you yourself point out in your first point.