Re:Open Letter from Feng-hsiung Hsu, one of the main program...
by bitdiddle on Thursday May 28, 2009 @07:33AM
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I believe this is correct. I worked at T J Watson during this famous match and if I recall the consensus in the halls was that these CMU grads had some interesting hardware hacks but the program was essentially the classic heuristic search with evaluation function. I think computers also have been used to work out some end game solutions
Re:Open Letter from Feng-hsiung Hsu, one of the main program...
by murr on Thursday May 28, 2009 @11:38AM
(#630377)
I agree with most of this, but one should not overestimate the impact of general hardware progress since 1997. Each extra ply takes an order of magnitude more computation, and the state of the art in endgame tablebases has "only" progressed from 5 pieces (e.g. KBB vs. KN) to six pieces.
Re:Open Letter from Feng-hsiung Hsu, one of the main program...
by mwpolen on Thursday May 28, 2009 @08:12AM
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I do not think this is the case. If you follow chess and the matches where a top GM plays a computer you will find most of the time it is a draw. There was an article on chessbase many years ago that showed that chess program rating had stopped growing as fast and they were leveling out just as player ratings level out.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1292
Re:Open Letter from Feng-hsiung Hsu, one of the main program...
by ca98am79 on Thursday May 28, 2009 @01:35PM
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This is definitely the case. Check out Rybka - it has been rated 3200+. No human being comes close.
Re:Open Letter from Feng-hsiung Hsu, one of the main program...
by mwpolen on Thursday May 28, 2009 @04:45PM
(#630996)
After further reflection I'm not sure my belief is wrong.
The match between GM Roman Dzindzichashvili and Rybka has finished with a somewhat surprising (at least to me) score of 4-4.
Re:Open Letter from Feng-hsiung Hsu, one of the main program...
by jibiki on Thursday May 28, 2009 @05:07PM
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From the article:
"the odds were changed to - Roman gets White every game, the computer offers up a different pawn each game."
So the computer gave Dzindzi an enormous handicap.
Re:Open Letter from Feng-hsiung Hsu, one of the main program...
by mwpolen on Thursday May 28, 2009 @07:53PM
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I failed to make my point...sorry. A human rated 3200 would win more than 4 games even given the restrictions against a GM rated ~2550. Ratings are not as as transferrable as one would think, especially when a computer is involved.
The algorithms at this point are well-known and tested; it's just a matter of having enough hardware to search deeply enough to match a world-champion player within the tournament time constraints.
edit: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=54499