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Re:Protecting Against Leakers by jacquesm on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @06:39AM (#6282596)
> More surprising than Snowden's ability to get away with taking the information he downloaded is that there haven't been dozens more like him.

Is an assumption on Schneier's part. For all we know there were dozens or more. They may not have released the data or they may have sold it to some foreign agency instead.

Re:Protecting Against Leakers by narag on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @08:15AM (#6282949)
... or they may have sold it to some foreign agency instead.

Don't forget corporations and individuals. And of course blackmail. That could be very profitable, specially against powerful people, politicians...

Re:Protecting Against Leakers by jacquesm on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @08:20AM (#6282964)
Interesting angle. Makes you wonder if any politicians data was part of Snowden's haul. If so that opens up another can of worms.

If they didn't have segregated access (and it does not appear that they did) then that would have surely been too juicy to pass up. 20,000 documents is a lot.

This might also go some way to explaining the panic, if they don't know what he's got and he's had access to data like that then some people must really not be sleeping well right now.

Re:Protecting Against Leakers by narag on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @08:35AM (#6283012)
Makes you wonder if any politicians data was part of Snowden's haul.

It's safe to assume that most (every?) politicians data is part of NSA's haul. Add journalists.

I find the debate about surveillance terribly naive. Politicians get corrupted as soon as there's no one closely looking.

Creating such a surveillance and secret-keeping mammoth is calling for massive corruption. And this thing has been running for years.

Re:Protecting Against Leakers by jacquesm on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @08:37AM (#6283019)
Yes, that the NSA has it is fairly obvious at this point but the question is whether or not Snowden took it. Is there any indication that he did?
Re:Protecting Against Leakers by w_t_payne on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @08:56AM (#6283089)
Front-running is the obvious (and most profitable) application.
Re:Protecting Against Leakers by edanm on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @07:09AM (#6282710)
I assume he means specifically whistleblowers, not any traitor.
Re:Protecting Against Leakers by jacquesm on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @07:35AM (#6282800)
They may still become whistleblowers. Whistleblowers are only whistleblowers once they blow the whistle, before then they're thieves.

Some would like them to remain thieves after they've done their thing and I'm sure that some thieves eventually consider becoming whistleblower but in the interval between taking the data and exposing it there is no real difference that you could outwardly discern between the two cases.

Re:Protecting Against Leakers by sspiff on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @07:54AM (#6282887)
Your comment implies that whistle-blowers are a sub-category of traitors. Is that intentional?
Re:Protecting Against Leakers by jacquesm on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @08:11AM (#6282937)
Is that what it implies? I would have missed that and read this as 'whistleblowers versus any kind of traitor'.
Re:Protecting Against Leakers by edanm on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @08:44AM (#6283041)
Your interpretation is what I meant.
Re:Protecting Against Leakers by sspiff on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @08:54AM (#6283078)
I'm sorry about misinterpreting, it's just how I interpreted the comment. My bad.