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Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by cygwin98 on Monday August 26, 2013 @10:17AM (#6277165)
Is the new motto being Do Evil?
Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by BitMastro on Monday August 26, 2013 @10:48AM (#6277377)
Reductio at Evilerum will be the new Reductio at Hitlerum
Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by jlgreco on Monday August 26, 2013 @11:57AM (#6277849)
Only because speaking in strong terms has somehow become taboo. We are neutering language.
Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by BitMastro on Monday August 26, 2013 @12:45PM (#6278143)
I'm not sure if sarcasm, but I have issues with defining "EVIL" as "removing a feature to allow custom streaming". I also have issues considering falling down the stairs an "EPIC" fail, or reading companies looking for SUPERSTAR NINJA programmers, or things that are LITERALLY the worse ever happened to someone.
Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by jlgreco on Monday August 26, 2013 @01:22PM (#6278399)
cygwin98 did not introduce the "evil" terminology. Google introduced the "evil" terminology.

Do you really think that the phrase, associated with Google, was intended to mean "We're not going to commit any war crimes?"

If you dislike hyperbole, that is fine, but blame the people who are actually responsible for introducing the hyperbole.

Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by BitMastro on Monday August 26, 2013 @01:52PM (#6278640)
The meaning of the "don’t be evil" motto is "We believe strongly that in the long term, we will be better served — as shareholders and in all other ways — by a company that does good things for the world even if we forgo some short term gains."

How changing an undocumented function, that was used to circumvent an SDK that is clearly marked as beta and "could change significantly" can be classified as evil is beyond me.

The problem is that people are using the "don't be evil" whenever they see something that simply bothers them.

Damn, they closed a bug in android that allows me to remove advertisement from apps! Google don't be evil!

They shut down a product that was offered for free for almost a decade! Google don't be evil!

So what adjective will people use if Google starts charging if you search more than 10 times a day, or obscuring the maps a few miles from the destination asking for a fee to see the rest, or blackmailing people based on data extracted from the mail? Google don't be.... evillest maybe?

Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by jlgreco on Monday August 26, 2013 @02:11PM (#6278771)
Ripping functionality out from under paying customers is not something that just "bothers" people. Hiding behind terms of use on SDKs isn't something that mellows the sting of this to users who probably don't even know what "SDK" means.

This situation invokes to comparisons to certain companies that had rather poor reputations in the 90s. Companies the slogan was almost certainly meant to differentiate Google from.

If hyperbole to shareholders is a-okay with you but hyperbole from angered consumers is out of line, then we just are not going to see eye-to-eye on this. I hope people inside Google do not share your attitude or Google truly is doomed to become what they assured us they wouldn't. This attitude towards consumers is extremely toxic.

Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by BitMastro on Monday August 26, 2013 @02:49PM (#6279064)
I see that you prefer downvoting rather then having a discussion, so I will stop here.

Edit: Apologies, I didn't know that rule, it was obviously someone else.

Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by jlgreco on Monday August 26, 2013 @04:19PM (#6279618)
1) I responded to you. Obviously. You just replied to my response to you.

2) Because your comment was in response to one of mine, it is impossible for me to downvote it. I can only downvote comments that are in response to others.

Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by abraininavat on Monday August 26, 2013 @01:41PM (#6278564)
We're "neutering language"? Hyperbolize much?
Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by jlgreco on Monday August 26, 2013 @01:47PM (#6278606)
I was hoping somebody would say that. That is exactly my point.

With Godwin's Law the standard argument is that hyperbole somehow diminishes the plight of those that suffered, but that argument really does not encompass the full breadth of the War On Hyperbole.

Here, for example, I've made an exaggeration with a comparison to sterilizing pets. Is the concern that I am diminishing the plight of pets and their reproductive lives? No, I don't think so, that would be silly. Rather, the objection is to the rhetorical device itself, not merely to the tasteless application of it.

(I suspect I've just been 'wooshed')

Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by abraininavat on Monday August 26, 2013 @01:50PM (#6278629)
and I was hoping you'd get that it was a joke instead of spending time explaining what you meant :)
Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by jlgreco on Monday August 26, 2013 @01:52PM (#6278636)
Aaaah yep. I should slow down. ;)
Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by fluidcruft on Monday August 26, 2013 @12:35PM (#6278083)
No, since everyone finds out what words mean by Googling them, they'll just adapt the meaning of "evil" as necessary.
Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by _nullandnull_ on Monday August 26, 2013 @11:03AM (#6277486)
No, but Newspeak is the official new language at Google.
Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by gosub on Monday August 26, 2013 @11:54AM (#6277825)
Well newspeak[1] was created by Gilad Bracha. He now works for Google, he was one of the creators of Dart. So, almost.

[1] http://newspeaklanguage.org/

Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by _nullandnull_ on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @03:33PM (#6285676)
Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by randomafk on Monday August 26, 2013 @11:25AM (#6277624)
Everyone on HN is an expert on working at Google and its policies it seems. Speculation and pet theories at it's finest.
Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by anxiousest on Monday August 26, 2013 @11:01AM (#6277471)
Not sure how you went from "an update that broke undocumented functionality" to "evil".
Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by tty on Monday August 26, 2013 @11:09AM (#6277514)
It's hyperbole, a pretty common tool when expressing yourself.

It's not a long way from Google's motto "Don't be evil" to "Be evil" and it doesn't take that much imagination to figure out what he meant.

On the other hand, acting obtuse is rarely funny.

Re:Chromecast update breaks AllCast by magicalist on Monday August 26, 2013 @03:41PM (#6279397)
Except it's not only informationless hyperbole, it's also just a tired catchphrase at this point. Witness the thread from yesterday on the verge story covering the same post that is this submission[1]. You'll notice a "Don't be evil" and an "Open always wins" comment there too. Mix in some beowulf clusters and netcraft confirmations and we can be well on our way to generating these threads via markov chains. No humans needed!

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6273292