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Re:On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by burgreblast on Monday August 19, 2013 @10:51AM (#6237520)
Before we go too far, raising children is definitely not Biblically categorized as idle hands, but in fact praised and respected.

The old-school Puritan would prefer you spend time teaching and raising children than helping an ad company sell more clicks. Or generally make a Skinner box.

Don't know much about Soviet Russia but 19-teens Russian avant-garde art was pretty boss. To say nothing of Kandinsky.

My perspective is that idle hands are actually idle: not building, not thinking, not active, not contemplative, not searching, not trying, not even resting. But idle. Un(der) used. And rather hard to defend. Consumption is easier than creation.

Re:On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by api on Monday August 19, 2013 @11:04AM (#6237583)
Great job mentioning Skinner boxes. I think this might be another dimension to this pathology: to what extent is our economy a Skinner box?

And you're technically right about classical Puritans. They would regard a lot of what we "do" today as BS make-work, not true work. But I think that distinction has been lost. The "work ethic" is an example of what I call a "zombie idea," an idea missing its head that continues to march on through a culture and eat peoples' brains.

Re:On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by toomuchtodo on Monday August 19, 2013 @11:46AM (#6237853)
I work in the ad industry. I'd argue that the entire ad industry exists as a skinner box, tweaking settings and turning knobs with the sole goal of having consumers consumer more of their product.
Re:On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by crooneys on Monday August 19, 2013 @06:00PM (#6240203)
Same and agreed
Re:On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by jasonwocky on Monday August 19, 2013 @11:29AM (#6237740)
My perspective is that idle hands are actually idle: not building, not thinking, not active, not contemplative, not searching, not trying, not even resting. But idle. Un(der) used. And rather hard to defend.

This is difficult for me to understand. How can you tell the difference between resting hands (easy to defend, imo), and idle hands?

Re:On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by pawn on Monday August 19, 2013 @12:32PM (#6238095)
I'd say the difference is how long they're "resting". Taking a weekend or vacation? Wonderful. Haven't had a job in a year and not really trying to get one? Idle.
Re:On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by cortesoft on Monday August 19, 2013 @01:09PM (#6238300)
I would having a job is only a subset of what not being idle means.

I always divide my time into two basic phases: productive and consumptive. Either you are creating something or you are consuming something. Sitting around watching TV is consuming; creating a tv show would be producing.

I think both activities are valuable and have their place. Sometimes you need to relax and enjoy a passive activity, but what makes society great is the production of new things; be they art, science, entertainment, goods..

I tend not to judge the WHAT of the creative side. It doesn't matter what you create, but the creation of new ideas and things is what makes us human.