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Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by unethical_ban on Sunday August 18, 2013 @04:19PM (#6234060)
Tower of Babel. I'm not sure "Extinguish" is necessary, but perhaps the teaching of a common language throughout the country would be beneficial. I can't imagine the United States having a different language for every House district, with only 5% of the population speaking common English.
Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by realrocker on Sunday August 18, 2013 @04:41PM (#6234144)
Well, India does not have to imagine that, since its common practice. A language is the identity of the people. I am not sure that India is ready to inorganically archive or extinguish the identities of its various sub-cultures. India is already proving that it can mix growth with diversity(albeit at a slower pace), but a section of the middle class think's this approach is too slow. I personally do not agree with the one language nation theory. It reeks of sectarianism.

Edit: I consciously ignored Tower of Babel due it being a misplaced argument.

Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by winter_blue on Sunday August 18, 2013 @06:24PM (#6234537)
China is a good counterexample to this. China had a huge number of "dialects" -- mutually un-intelligible dialects (and being mutually unintelligible is generally what distinguishes a language from a dialect). The Chinese government has sort-of successfully driven Mandarin as the lingua franca of the nation, and I can't imagine the Chinese having been anything but better off for it. Perhaps, there was some loss of cultural/linguistic heritage in the case of China, but that's why I said India should "archive" before extinguish.

Languages evolve all the time. If everyone were to hang on to the languages and identities that were present and predominant at the end of the twentieth century, I don't think we'd get anywhere closer to a more global society. As a nation, there's much more of a reason to have a common language.

Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by realrocker on Sunday August 18, 2013 @06:52PM (#6234627)
If you know anything about China's history, it cost them tens of millions of lives to surgically implement uniformity. Not just in language but in every thread of society.

Now give me an example of a country as diverse and massive as India whose lingual diversity was a hindrance to growth. I will just go ahead and respond. There is none. India is unique and there is no evidence it's current model won't work.

Languages evolve all the time> Incorrect. Languages evolve over centuries due to several geopolitical reasons like: land topography, availability of food, neighboring tribes. Each language and it's multiple dialects are an imprint of the struggle their speakers went through over hundreds or thousands of years. In case of India, the frequency is so high since it has been a melting pot of the world for a very large period of time.

>Global society Contrary to what you believe it's not synonymous with a central society. The ultimate goal of the human race is a moving target. Adopting a common language so that we can do better trade, better science and produce more is fallacious since we don't know that's we are supposed to do. Maybe we need to slow down so that we don't kill ourselves off by becoming too powerful and cocky. I don't know. Neither do you.

Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by saraid216 on Sunday August 18, 2013 @08:28PM (#6234921)
I don't know about you, but I'm not really a fan of China's political ideologies.
Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by davidw on Sunday August 18, 2013 @04:30PM (#6234098)
Europe has its problems, but it's not that bad off either, in the grand scheme of things. It's slightly larger than the US and has a large variety of languages, including many countries with their own linguistic diversity. Italy, for instance, has regions where French and German are accepted, as well as a slew of regional "dialects/languages". Belgium has three official languages. Spain has several. And so on...
Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by prawn on Sunday August 18, 2013 @09:02PM (#6235024)
Switzerland with French, German and Italian depending on where you are.
Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by davidw on Monday August 19, 2013 @01:03AM (#6235705)
Switzerland also has Ladino as one of its official languages.
Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by davidw on Monday August 19, 2013 @03:59AM (#6236122)
Err, sorry, 'Romansh' is the name they use.
Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by saraid216 on Sunday August 18, 2013 @05:56PM (#6234421)
Here's the thing:

You can learn multiple languages. You can even learn multiple dialects. One of the things I'm proud of my grandfather for was that he learned 22 different dialects of Chinese for the purposes of doing business on a fairly wide scale.

Imperialism is sort of not a thing these days.

Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by devcpp on Sunday August 18, 2013 @06:14PM (#6234503)
But why? All that does is handicap the people who don't speak more than 2 dialects, even though they may be more productive in terms of work than the people who speak 22 dialects.

At age 21, I have already immigrated twice to countries with different languages, and I have always considered language as the major barrier in everything I always did (because past a certain age, no matter how hard I try, I keep the accent).

I dream of a world where language is a concern of the past. It just makes no sense to keep this hindrance around when there are important things to do.

Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by saraid216 on Sunday August 18, 2013 @08:27PM (#6234917)
Language is important to people who aren't you. Your notions of what is and isn't important are personal, not universal, and you really don't have the right to dictate to people that they're no longer allowed to speak a certain language simply because it's not the one you picked.

That's presuming that the very notion of a one world language would even work, considering all we know about linguistic mutations.

What you want is akin to, "Why are we wasting all this time fighting cancer when we could be achieving spaceflight?" Maybe, just maybe, it's people that are important?

Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by devcpp on Thursday August 22, 2013 @06:19PM (#6260471)
No need to be arrogant, I never indicated that I thought my opinions were universal. Indeed, I only talked about myself in that comment, precisely to avoid peppering it with IMHOs.

I never said I was going to dictate anything onto anyone, it's an opinion, and yours is acknowldged. 7 billion+ to go.

>That's presuming that the very notion of a one world language would even work, considering all we know about linguistic mutations.

The US have had immigrants from all other the world a few centuries ago and I have never seen any problems directly related to education with 2-3 generations descendants, so I think it was a safe assumption. It can be discussed.

>What you want is akin to, "Why are we wasting all this time fighting cancer when we could be achieving spaceflight?"

Not really. IMO, it is actually much more akin to an engineer proposing that we set a standard so we could stop focusing on component integration so much, and actually get to work. I think many engineers prefer standards to having a large variety of systems that achieve the same things, so I see no reason why that wouldn't apply to languages.

Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by saraid216 on Friday August 23, 2013 @03:22AM (#6262181)
> I never indicated that I thought my opinions were universal.

This wasn't the problem.

The problem was that your opinion was to have a universal language.

This is textbook imperialism. This is why English has such major influences from French and Latin when it's essentially a Germanic language. Because a couple of empires invaded England and imposed their language.

> The US have had immigrants from all other the world a few centuries ago and I have never seen any problems directly related to education with 2-3 generations descendants, so I think it was a safe assumption. It can be discussed.

The US prints out reams of extra paperwork precisely so that it can be offered in multiple languages. The US fought and continues to fight proxy wars dealing with how these immigrants are integrated into the culture. New York City used to be a battleground between the Italians and the Irish. Read just about any significant span of American history and you'll find a disagreement between two different sets of immigrants. Don't need no West Side Story to explain it.

Of course, at the same time, the US invented the network standard dialect of English while making fun of Californian versus Midwestern versus New England versus Southern accents. Odd... those are also some of the clearest political battlefield lines historically. And it's the US who is internationally laughed at for having the least informed and most cross-culturally inept population in the world.

Furthermore, do you really want the US to be the de jure overlord of the entire world? Because I don't.

And lastly, linguistic mutation. Even if you buy into the Chomskyian notion of a universal grammar inherent in the biological human brain, you still have the fact that language evolves differently for different groups of people and there isn't any way to reliably intermingle them on a regular basis unless you use top-down imposition.

> IMO, it is actually much more akin to an engineer proposing that we set a standard so we could stop focusing on component integration so much, and actually get to work. I think many engineers prefer standards to having a large variety of systems that achieve the same things, so I see no reason why that wouldn't apply to languages.

So, basically, you want to do this: http://xkcd.com/927/

Protip: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Esperanto

Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by skinnymuch on Sunday August 18, 2013 @10:53PM (#6235356)
I don't understand how the analogy is related? Yours is cruel beyond people's feelings.
Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by primelens on Sunday August 18, 2013 @06:30PM (#6234555)
What's the problem with keeping the accent? Why do you think an accent hinders you?

And which language and universal accent should the world switch to?

Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by devcpp on Thursday August 22, 2013 @06:07PM (#6260420)
>What's the problem with keeping the accent? Why do you think an accent hinders you?

In my experience, it does, in most social contexts, and also in job interviews, as some interviewers don't feel it would be as easy for me to integrate to the rest of the team, which is true to some extent. These may all be exceptions but it's a big indicator in my opinion.

>And which language and universal accent should the world switch to?

I think any language known to me would do. When the time comes and people feel ready to accept the idea of one language (looking at the replies I got, it's not gonna happen), we'll discuss it.

Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by winter_blue on Sunday August 18, 2013 @07:34PM (#6234742)
> One of the things I'm proud of my grandfather for was that he learned 22 different dialects of Chinese for the purposes of doing business on a fairly wide scale.

While that's impressive, this only shows how much better it would have been for trade & business if Chinese people at the point spoke a single language. A businessman wouldn't have to learn 22 languages (quite a significant time investment), to have the same level of reach your grandfather did.

Re:India’s lost 220 languages in past 50 years by primelens on Sunday August 18, 2013 @05:41PM (#6234353)
Hard as it may seem to believe, India was not modeled on the US. On the whole it has dealt quite well with its diversity of languages and cultures. If that is too hard to imagine, perhaps you can try imagining Europe.