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Re:Hyperloop by krasin on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @10:08PM (#6209596)
Wolfram Alpha disagrees. It says:

Mach(20 C, 1 atm): 343.051 m/s

Mach(20 C, 0.1 atm): 343.182 m/s

Not much higher, but definitely not lower.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=speed+of+sound+in+dry+a...

Unfortunately, it refuses to show Mach(20 C, 0.001 atm), since the lowest supported pressure is 0.098 atm.

Re:Hyperloop by VladRussian2 on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @11:37PM (#6209806)
You are right, my bad with the low pressure speed of sound . Anyway the high transonic flow isn't a piece of cake as well.
Re:Hyperloop by DonPedro on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @03:54PM (#6213814)
I'll go out on a limb here and wager that SpaceX engineers know the Mach value for various permutations of temperature and air density. But I might be wrong...
Re:Hyperloop by krasin on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @10:16PM (#6209619)
There's still a chance that Wolfram Alpha is incorrect; I am unable to prove or disprove that, because I don't know aerodynamics.
Re:Hyperloop by lutusp on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @10:42PM (#6209677)
The problem is that atmospheric Mach numbers don't follow from first principles, and the Wolfram Alpha values emanate from an empirically derived approximation. An analytical relationship between the speed of sound and air pressure arising from first principles would require a solution to the Navier-Stokes equations, for which solution a million dollar prize lies unclaimed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier%E2%80%93Stokes_equations

Quote: "The Navier–Stokes equations are also of great interest in a purely mathematical sense. Somewhat surprisingly, given their wide range of practical uses, mathematicians have not yet proven that, in three dimensions, solutions always exist (existence), or that if they do exist, then they do not contain any singularity (smoothness). These are called the Navier–Stokes existence and smoothness problems. The Clay Mathematics Institute has called this one of the seven most important open problems in mathematics and has offered a US$1,000,000 prize for a solution or a counter-example."

> There's still a chance that Wolfram Alpha is incorrect ...

At the moment there is no "correct". It's all based on field observations, numerical modeling, and estimation.