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Re:Lavabit's founder: 'If You Knew What I Know About Email, ... by phpnode on Saturday August 10, 2013 @08:26AM (#6190852)
better to delete it than hand it over if privacy was your selling point in the first place. if i were a customer, i'd be ok with this.
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Re:Lavabit's founder: 'If You Knew What I Know About Email, ... by iaskwhy on Saturday August 10, 2013 @08:31AM (#6190860)
Also, if I understand this correctly, his customers most probably had a copy of the emails on their computers so their loss was only the email address (and emails eventually received after the closedown).
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Re:Lavabit's founder: 'If You Knew What I Know About Email, ... by pdonis on Saturday August 10, 2013 @05:22PM (#6192716)
his customers most probably had a copy of the emails on their computers

Based on the fact that a number of them are talking about having lost data, I suspect that at least a significant number of customers only used webmail to access their accounts, so they never had a local copy of their data.

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Re:Lavabit's founder: 'If You Knew What I Know About Email, ... by iaskwhy on Sunday August 11, 2013 @12:20PM (#6195282)
I was thinking that using webmail would defeat the purpose of really private email.
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Re:Lavabit's founder: 'If You Knew What I Know About Email, ... by pdonis on Sunday August 11, 2013 @12:49PM (#6195363)
Not if you access it via https.
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Re:Lavabit's founder: 'If You Knew What I Know About Email, ... by iaskwhy on Sunday August 11, 2013 @02:41PM (#6195739)
It's still showing not encrypted on the screen which allows all sort of possibilities when done on a browser. For example, let's say you're using Chrome, hard to make sure page contents are not being used somehow.
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Re:Lavabit's founder: 'If You Knew What I Know About Email, ... by pdonis on Sunday August 11, 2013 @04:09PM (#6196147)
The same applies to any other email client; it has your data unencrypted, so if you can't trust it, you're screwed.
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Re:Lavabit's founder: 'If You Knew What I Know About Email, ... by iaskwhy on Sunday August 11, 2013 @06:56PM (#6196676)
That's why I assumed people that actually care about privacy use a desktop software, open source and with IMAP, so there wouldn't be no huge loss.
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Re:Lavabit's founder: 'If You Knew What I Know About Email, ... by pdonis on Sunday August 11, 2013 @07:08PM (#6196718)
a desktop software, open source and with IMAP

Which will still see your data unencrypted. And there are open-source browsers too.

In any case, as I said several posts ago, a number of Lavabit customers were complaining about having lost their stored emails; if they were using a desktop email client with IMAP, that wouldn't be the case.

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Re:Lavabit's founder: 'If You Knew What I Know About Email, ... by orblivion on Saturday August 10, 2013 @10:44AM (#6191226)
They might have lost roughly a day's worth, depends how often they connect via IMAP.
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Re:Lavabit's founder: 'If You Knew What I Know About Email, ... by pdonis on Saturday August 10, 2013 @05:22PM (#6192718)
What if they're not using IMAP?
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Re:Lavabit's founder: 'If You Knew What I Know About Email, ... by digipaper on Saturday August 10, 2013 @09:05AM (#6190958)
If that's the case it would be fine with me too.
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Re:Lavabit's founder: 'If You Knew What I Know About Email, ... by zwdr on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:42AM (#6198549)
I am a customer, and honestly, I'm more than okay with it. It's a real annoyance to me, but its better than having my stuff streamed to the NSA.
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