Re:The world is socialist
by kungfooguru on Sunday August 04, 2013 @02:45PM
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No, I didn't. Even co-ops that exist today must sell on the capitalist market.
There is no use-value based economic planning today.
Could they not exchange goods with other co-ops?
Well, yes. But that could only provide for a tiny amount of goods - at least if theco-op doesn't want to live in a primitivist hell.
There could be coops around the world that trade with each other to get everything they need?
Yes, if we agree on a primitivist definition of "everything they need", which most likely includes food, shelter entertainment and some artwork - perhaps even basic medicine. But no electric energy, electronics, cars, farm machinery, refrigerators, antibiotics and so on. Building this stuff requires massive amounts of capital.
Yes it is. It is a matter of degree. When you have an income tax, you have socialized income. If you have a "workers factory", you have socialized the means of production.
Your first paragraph seemed like you had the right insights, yet you contradicted yourself by the second.