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Re:Ask PG: Why is everybody hellbanned? by dasil003 on Sunday August 04, 2013 @09:29AM (#6155572)
Hellbanning is necessary because of the low barrier to creating a new account. You are assuming that all users are well-intentioned and can be reasoned with, but this is simply not the case. Any sizable only community will develop a number of hard-core anti-social trolls exhibiting behavior which they can only undertake online (because in real life they would get their asses kicked on a regular basis). When said trolls are also hackers you need some relatively automated and powerful tools to keep them in check. It's unfortunate that there is some collateral damage, but please understand that the choice is not between new users being inconvenienced for not, the choice is between HN being a place where civilized discourse can exist and spiraling towards a 4chan-like atmosphere.
Re:Ask PG: Why is everybody hellbanned? by lmm on Sunday August 04, 2013 @10:26AM (#6155738)
Serious trolls know about hellbanning and how to figure out whether an account they're using has been hellbanned. The primary effect of hellbanning is to drive away well intentioned new users who are unlucky enough to break some of the unwritten rules in their first few posts.
Re:Ask PG: Why is everybody hellbanned? by dasil003 on Sunday August 04, 2013 @04:50PM (#6157044)
This is all very hand-wavy. First of all, hellbanning is not always the same thing everywhere, so no, there's no guarantee that a serious troll knows how hellbanning works. More importantly, I have actually had to deal with forum trolls as an under-resourced dev for a very popular and long-running forum. It's an arms race, plain and simple. Information asymetry is to the developer's advantage. Have I gotten to the point of implementing hellbanning? No... but I understand the justification for why it's done.
Re:Ask PG: Why is everybody hellbanned? by stcredzero on Sunday August 04, 2013 @10:51AM (#6155802)
How do you know this? Have you run a forum or community website, or have you been on the other side? Serious question. Must know data and provenance of data.