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Re:Who is the Villain in this Disruption Story? by gojomo on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @04:40PM (#6136691)
SFO should charge based on actual passenger or vehicle impact, not business model. Charge every dropoff or pickup equally, if need be.
Re:Who is the Villain in this Disruption Story? by mathattack on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @05:07PM (#6136848)
I would think "Space plus dropoff" is good. If Avis has a parking lot in the airport parking lot, they should pay more.
Re:Who is the Villain in this Disruption Story? by zanny on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @08:21PM (#6137792)
How do you charge people to stop at the terminal without severely crippling an already saturated people drop off / pick up pipeline?

What would probably work better is a toll ticket just to enter the airport complex via the main gate. Airports (almost always) have front gates to lock the entire compound if necessary, add a toll booth.

Re:Who is the Villain in this Disruption Story? by gojomo on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @08:33PM (#6137841)
You answered your own question.

The visit toll could be collected electronically, via transponder or a bill mailed to the car's registered owner, to require no slowing or stopping of traffic.

They could also allow free or cheaper visits at the far end of the SFO 'airtram' (where the existing rental car center is located).... the differential could even vary with congestion.

If they want to throw a bone to occasional, casual flyers and friends on pickup/dropoff duty, let each license plate have 1 free visit each N days. (Though, the logic and fairness of charging every visit equally based on its congestion impact is strong.)

There are better ways to meet any legitimate concerns of SFO than to force new services into the old rental-agency cookie-mold.

Re:Who is the Villain in this Disruption Story? by mikeash on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @08:59PM (#6137934)
SFO's "legitimate concerns" are that they can control activity on their property. If they want to charge rental car companies extra, that's their right. This isn't society-wide regulation, it's a business entity (one that happens to be owned by a government) deciding what to do with their own property.
Re:Who is the Villain in this Disruption Story? by gojomo on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @09:20PM (#6138018)
A regular business could not issue the tickets SFO is issuing. A regular business would also be subject to additional antitrust and fair-business-practice constraints.

So if you're suggesting the airport be privatized, and then offering services like any other "business entity… deciding what to do with its own property", I think that'd be a great plan.

But SFO is a public entity, using state power to enforce extra monopoly privileges. It doesn't get to just say "because we want to do it this way with 'our' property", even if it's silly. It's the city of San Francisco's property, and their actions should be serving the public interest.

An equitable regime of charging based on actual visit impact achieves that. On the other hand, enforcing the old formulas out of tradition is lazy and destructive - and suspiciously protective of SFO's longtime partners among the incumbent rental agencies.

Re:Who is the Villain in this Disruption Story? by zanny on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @10:29PM (#6138273)
> and their actions should be serving the public interest.

We still have state owned toll roads across the country. There is an established habit of limiting road traffic via tolling even on public roads.

Re:Who is the Villain in this Disruption Story? by gojomo on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @11:06PM (#6138415)
Exactly! As proposed upthread, the airport should charge a toll per visit based on impact, not based on old business model patterns.

Toll roads (state owned or private) charge by use, which is fairly reasonable and efficient, not by a deep inspection of your gross revenues.

Re:Who is the Villain in this Disruption Story? by mikeash on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @09:48PM (#6138105)
A regular business could ban these people from their property, then get the police to enforce the ban. Ticketing seems, if anything, more gentle.