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Re:NSA director heckled on stage at Black Hat security confe... by wavefunction on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @04:38PM (#6136683)
I'm curious why you claim that a 4-star general would have a better knowledge of the Constitution than an average hacker?

Especially one who seems to be running an illegal and unconstitutional program like Gen. Alexander.

Re:NSA director heckled on stage at Black Hat security confe... by mindslight on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @05:26PM (#6136964)
For the same reason that an average hacker would have a much better knowledge of the code for various daemons than the sysadmins who administer them - they're reading critically and looking for vulnerabilities where the actual semantics differ from the purported ones. I've no doubt that what the NSA does actually is "constitutional" under the common corrupted interpretations of it - government programs are structured to avoid mortal conflicts with the constitution, sympathetic or even just probabilistic courts then assert that specific facets aren't actually over the line, and severable agents acting "independently" informally make up the difference.

Law is akin to code, and suffers from the same complexity-induced limitations that end up as the halting problem. With enough indirection, meanings and definitions divert wildly from what they purport. This divergence starts as soon as abstraction enters the picture - for example the widespread tendency to see rights as "primitives" that are acceded when forming higher-level emergent structures. Participation in the higher-level structure becomes de facto mandatory, and those purported rights end up nowhere to be seen. And once this erosion process starts, it becomes harder and harder for anybody to see that their rights should apply universally, rather than just in a nondescript wood shack on unincorporated land in Wyoming.

Re:NSA director heckled on stage at Black Hat security confe... by wavefunction on Thursday August 01, 2013 @12:49AM (#6138731)
Certainly I agree with your perception of how the NSA and General Alexander believe that they are "conforming" to a proper interpretation of the Constitution, though I disagree with that particular interpretation they hew to.

I guess I feel that the average hacker has a better understanding of the platonic ideal or "most correct" interpretation of the Constitution than Gen. Alexander.

Re:NSA director heckled on stage at Black Hat security confe... by jessaustin on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @05:02PM (#6136815)
Well he's got it printed on a roll of paper that hangs next to a seat he occupies twice a day, so he's had ample opportunity to read it.