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Re:Intel's first 'open-source PC' on sale for $199 by pgeorgi on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @09:43AM (#6133571)
So far their firmware isn't open source. Tianocore isn't useful on real x86 hardware without hardware initialization code (which Tiano doesn't provide).

Let's see if an Intel group manages to coerce the chipset group to release those "precious" (but in reality, very boring) details on memory initialization to the world.

So far I'm doubtful, even if it's "just" for Atom.

[edit: In fact, their website (http://www.minnowboard.org/technical-features/) states "All software will be provided in image and Open Source form (with binary elements per IP restrictions)". That exception _will_ cover Platform Initialization code...]

Re:Intel's first 'open-source PC' on sale for $199 by benjamincburns on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @12:34PM (#6134973)
I think internally this is a huge [1] experiment for Intel. They're saying "is doing the work to support the low-volume 'little guy' going to do anything for our high-volume sales?"

I have a feeling were it up to the people leading the project, the init code would be made available. However Intel as a company is only going to take so much risk in support of this experiment. I have a feeling that init code and firmware for softloaded peripherals will be "business as usual" for quite a while.

That said, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. If this is successful and if customers are very vocal about not wanting "half-assed" open systems, it might eventually get there.

1: Actually, in terms of resources I'm sure it's tiny. In terms of culture on the other hand...

Re:Intel's first 'open-source PC' on sale for $199 by pgeorgi on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @01:06PM (#6135200)
I'm involved in the open source firmware struggle with Intel for a number of years now. There are Intel customers with solid business cases, but it actually got worse in the last few years.
Re:Intel's first 'open-source PC' on sale for $199 by benjamincburns on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @01:20PM (#6135309)
Can you say more? What's made it worse recently? I was witness to some struggle between GumStix and Intel/Marvell back around when Marvell bought the XScale processor line, but I've been out of touch with Intel on this issue since then. However I've seen countless peripheral silicon manufacturers maintain strangleholds on their softloaded firmware... Though with things like wireless chipsets and DSP algorithms, it's arguable there's real IP there worth protecting.
Re:Intel's first 'open-source PC' on sale for $199 by yuhong on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @05:17PM (#6136896)
Yea, I wish they could release their entire BIOS Writer Guide including MSRs used for cache as RAM for example.
Re:Intel's first 'open-source PC' on sale for $199 by pgeorgi on Thursday August 01, 2013 @03:53PM (#6143023)
I don't think that particular part changed much over the years, and it's also relatively easy to figure out with SerialICE (www.serialice.com), since CAR is one of the first things to happen these days.

Since Intel wants everyone to use their code (preferably in binary form), I'm not sure how useful the BIOS Writer's Guide still is. Probably just a guide on how to integrate their code into whatever you're doing yourself.