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Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by yread on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @09:34AM (#6133507)
This is brilliant, I love the screenshots:

Foreignness factor:

The person has stated that he is located outside the U.S.

Human intelligence source indicates person is located outside the U.s.

The person is a user of storage media seized outside the U.s.

Foreign govt indicates that the person is located outside the U.s.

Phone number country code indicates the person is located outside the U.s.

Phone number is registered in a country other than the U.S.

SIGINT reporting confirms person is located outside the U.S.

Open source information indicates person is located outside the U.s.

Network, machine or tech info indicates person is located outside the U.s.

In direct contact w/ tgt overseas no info to show proposed tgt in U.S.

It's quite easy to lose the protections of a U.S. citizen indeed!

Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by skore on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @10:41AM (#6133987)
> It's quite easy to lose the protections of a U.S. citizen indeed!

That, coupled with the fact that they only require 51% certainty in the foreignness factor makes me think this is intentionally designed to make every single person they come across a subject to surveillance.

I can see Weasel terms like "use of storage media seized outside of the U.s." be extended to mean pretty much anything.

Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by sehugg on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @10:36AM (#6133952)
The person is a user of storage media seized outside the U.s.

Interesting, so everyone who ever hit a MegaUpload link is potentially a foreign entity?

Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by RyanZAG on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @10:39AM (#6133971)
Kind of puts into perspective why they would coordinate such a massive raid on Megaupload. The target may not have even been the data - merely seizing the data puts anybody who has accessed the megaupload website as an easy target.
Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by netrus on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @10:49AM (#6134042)
You crossed the tinfoil line. Copyright infringement was sufficient motivation for the actions taken. The megaupload raid was not okay, but I am pretty sure Hollywood was behind it, not the NSA.
Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by talmand on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @11:28AM (#6134413)
Just a few years ago this very article would cross the tinfoil line. Plus, don't be naive to think that the government wouldn't use an accusation of committing a crime to cover what they really want to do.

For instance, need data from a server's hard drive? Accuse someone you know who has data on that server, not necessarily the data you want, to have an excuse to seize said hard drive and analyze it. Nope, turns out the accusation was incorrect, here's the hard drive back. Ah, is getting other data not covered by the warrant illegal? It just might be, but you can't complain if you don't know they did it and you probably don't have standing to sue over it to find out. Plus with authorities able to get double-secret warrants based on triple-super-secret laws issued by not-so-secret courts with "you can't even admit you were here" secret proceedings, how would anyone know in the first place?

Remember, government agents have the authority to lie to you in an effort to complete their goals.

Not that I'm saying the NSA was behind MegaUpload or anything, just saying it's feasible.

Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by fnordfnordfnord on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @12:02PM (#6134709)
You've got a lot of nerve impugning tinfoil these days.
Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by kazagistar on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @12:11PM (#6134780)
Well, there are reasons to put on our tinfoil hats now... heck, last I heard, MIT students had managed to inject memories into mice.
Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by pyrocat on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @06:57PM (#6137376)
The headline for that article was astoundingly misleading. They created a fear response in the mice to a place that the mice had never been.
Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by bandushrew on Thursday August 01, 2013 @12:25AM (#6138642)
Hollywood by itself had absolutely no chance of reaching across to new zealand and persuading the NZ police to break NZ laws to arrest him.

Just to be clear, Kim Dotcom was a NZ resident, and had broken no NZ laws.

At this point it would be a bold man who made the claim that the NSA had nothing to do with investigating a foreign person and/or their company, tracking that company's international internet usage, monitoring their involvement in possible illegal activities and providing that information to US authorities who could use it to reach out across the world and attempt to have that person extradited to the US.

In fact, I cannot understand for a second why you are trying to make that claim?

Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by w_t_payne on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @11:04AM (#6134179)
@netrus - I am not even sure where the tinfoil line is anymore.
Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by fein on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @11:11AM (#6134258)
At this point, the line itself is even made of tinfoil.
Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by w_t_payne on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @11:48AM (#6134580)
Aaagh! Everything is tinfoil! Where did this tinfoil even come from! Get this tinfoil away from me! Aaaagh! Heeeeeeeelp!
Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by mariusz79 on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @12:45PM (#6135057)
Having a 3 1/2" floppy sent to someone outside of the country 15 years ago will probably count as well.
Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by junto on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @02:32PM (#6135878)
What is really interesting here, is that this disproves what has been said. EVERYBODY'S DATA IS COLLECTED, but to query the data of a US citizen you need to simply provide a 'mitigation reason' as to why you accessing that data.

That then provides an audit trail, where something, or more likely, nothing is done to check that decision was valid,.

Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by kudu on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @11:30AM (#6134428)
The fact that they don't require a wiretap order or even a warrant to monitor foreign citizens is disturbing in itself and is based on a questionable internal interpretation of the law.
Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by mrt0mat0 on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @03:49PM (#6136392)
On cspan this morning, the phrased it as: a secret interpretation. the fact that those two words can even sit together hurts my head. How do you secretly interpret something one way, but openly interpret another way.
Re:XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user... by randuser on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @07:56PM (#6137673)
My favorite part is that the form assumes you need only a single line for the "Justification" field.