> For a group of smart people who at least consider themselves open-minded and objective, an astonishing amount of stupidly closed-minded things are said about Microsoft.

completely agree. My question to everybody who's out there with their knives and fork is this, so microsoft's surface tablets lost a lot of money and did not sell , you think companies like microsoft and google should quit trying to compete with apple for gaining tablet market share ? I believe the next iteration would fare much better and win 8.1 or maybe even win 9 could be when we begin to see microsoft gaining market share in mobile device sales.