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Re:Kanban – The Secret Engineer Killer by bdehaaff on Sunday July 28, 2013 @11:33PM (#6119228)
This is a sure sign of a broken PM group (and product dev team in general). Great teams are made of equal parts PM, Eng, Design and a group of folks who can actually position and sell a product.
Re:Kanban – The Secret Engineer Killer by fleitz on Sunday July 28, 2013 @11:35PM (#6119233)
For sure, which is the fundamental reason why kanban doesn't work.

If you have good teams basically all you need is a thin layer of process that prevents total chaos, kanban is a good fit for that, but most teams implement kanban in a cargo cult manner.

I've worked on sales driven teams where I fundamentally trusted the sales guy because when he said if you make feature X I can sell it for $Y dollars and we made bank doing that.

Conversely I've worked on teams where everyone was trying to avoid being fired and would only make decisions that were defensible, eg. company X is doing Y so lets do Y, resulting in the usual follow the leader failure.

Re:Kanban – The Secret Engineer Killer by bdehaaff on Sunday July 28, 2013 @11:55PM (#6119299)
Yes. I think they are related to the "scrumdamentalists" who I have written about in the past as well.

See -- The Holy Scrum War - http://blog.aha.io/index.php/the-holy-scrum-war/