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Re:Zero Tolerance Policies Put Students In The Hands Of Bad ... by vacri on Saturday July 27, 2013 @03:23AM (#6112128)
Are you aware that there are often long stretches of road which, if you follow the traffic rules completely, take you quite a ways out of your way before you can double back? Similarly, using sirens late at night in urban areas for non-emergency events is not pleasant for residents.
Re:Zero Tolerance Policies Put Students In The Hands Of Bad ... by quinnchr on Saturday July 27, 2013 @05:33AM (#6112351)
Are you suggesting convenience is more important than the safety of everyone else on the road?

Please don't forget the fact that you have the privilege of being encased in a few tons of steel with multiple safety systems. When doing your moral calculus and weighing how many lives are worth risking to save time, please remember there are other people on the road who don't have that privilege. Cyclists have to be constantly aware of cars breaking traffic laws if they want to stay alive, and they are not as visible as you would like to imagine.

If there is a non-zero chance of causing an accident and harming someone by breaking traffic laws, and the only benefit is saving time or not annoying residents, how do you justify that?

Re:Zero Tolerance Policies Put Students In The Hands Of Bad ... by vacri on Saturday July 27, 2013 @09:16PM (#6115142)
If there is a non-zero chance of causing an accident and harming someone by breaking traffic laws, and the only benefit is saving time or not annoying residents, how do you justify that?

I justify that because I am not an absolutist. If you're really going for the 'what price a life' argument, unless you're giving your entire income and free time (excluding enough to keep yourself alive) to a relevant charity (say, clearing minefields), you also don't believe in 'any-percentage-over-zero-is-too-high'.

Re:Zero Tolerance Policies Put Students In The Hands Of Bad ... by 3825 on Saturday July 27, 2013 @05:30AM (#6112344)
Sometimes they just turn their lights on especially in small towns at night
Re:Zero Tolerance Policies Put Students In The Hands Of Bad ... by vacri on Saturday July 27, 2013 @09:20PM (#6115160)
Absolutely. I've also seen a police car slowly enter a no-entry T-intersaction in the dead of night, the road behind being two-way. No other cars moving, and they were going slowly enough that even someone with a walking stick could have escaped their movement. Nevertheless, they still broke the law, something that would not be allowed under 'zero tolerance'.