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Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by kolektiv on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @07:09AM (#6095441)
I'm not sure this is true. Oh, I don't argue with your point about the historical facts of restriction, but I do think that the internet is still far from regulatable. The story is still really that politicians believe it is - it isn't, but they don't have the expertise to comprehend why that's the case. The internet is a mass publishing medium, not just a mass consumption one.

Legislation has historically successfully targeted only publishers, and you can do this when the number is fairly small, but not when that target is "everyone" because of the work required in monitoring (which is still not amenable to automation, despite what politicians may believe - it's still just too hard for the software technology we have).

Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by netcan on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @08:00AM (#6095618)
I'm not 100% sure I agree with me either. :)

I agree with your point. Being a mass publishing medium is what has kept the internet in anarchy thus far. In some cases, I think it will be possible to regulate publishers with some success. If you can get 10-20 companies to comply, you're covering most of the web.

For porn, that's not going to work. But, a filter probably will.

Censorship and contend restrictions don't need to be airtight. They never are. It's enough to just move things from mainstream to marginal. Seeing breasts, arses & fleeting (preferably comical) glimpses of balls is normal and OK, but unadvisable for young children. Genitalia in non sexual contexts is new, but now OK too (thank you embarrassing bodies). You can watch that with your friends or teenage kids. Genitalia in a sexual context is not OK. You look at that alone with a laptop in shame. You have to buy it from licensed sex shops with darkened windows.

Regulations & mainstream public opinion cross influence each other but actual line is more or less defined by TV standards and practices.

All internet porn (or political opinion or any subject of cencorship) filtering has to do is reclaim the control of that line. If you have to call up and ask for porn access or use tor to get it, it might let them do that.

Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by moocowduckquack on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @09:40AM (#6096088)
"Seeing breasts, arses & fleeting (preferably comical) glimpses of balls is normal and OK, but unadvisable for young children. Genitalia in non sexual contexts is new, but now OK too (thank you embarrassing bodies). You can watch that with your friends or teenage kids. Genitalia in a sexual context is not OK. You look at that alone with a laptop in shame."

Did you really just go and claim that seeing breasts is unadvisable for young children?

You complete and utter fuckwit. Do you think breasts are just there for you to leer over in your lonely cave of shame?

Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by Sacho on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @10:45AM (#6096446)
He claimed that most societies(and at least the Western ones I've had contact with match that pretty well) shun exposing sexual organs to children. I don't see why the rage. This is not a controversial comment to make.
Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by kaybe on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @11:28AM (#6096704)
Not sure. The wikipedia article is quite interesting.. (1) At least when I was a kid, in Germany, it was very common culture to go swimming in the lake without clothes, and with the whole family. (There was a section on that lake where you had to wear bathing clothes. It was nearly empty.)

(1)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturism (also contains pictures of naked people, Sherlock)

edit: Reading on in the German article.. it states that the market for nudist holidays in Germany is estimated to be around 10 million people, 1/8th of the population. Also, Germany seems to be the most relaxed of the Western countries in this issue. The history is quite interesting.

Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by moocowduckquack on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @11:19AM (#6096658)
Given that breasts are primarily for small children to drink from, to suggest it is damaging for small children to see them isn't just controversial, it is the height of bewildering and crazy idiocy from someone who must be so unconnected with reality that if they ever accidentally encountered a rational train of thought, they'd probably try to throw themselves under it.

And it wasn't rage, it was accuracy.

Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by netcan on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @12:27PM (#6097121)
Seeing breasts between the ages of 5-12 is highly likely to make your child a forum troll.

Just sayin.

Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by jlgreco on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @05:46PM (#6099318)
Speaking of trolls... you cannot honestly believe that.
Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by netcan on Thursday July 25, 2013 @04:33AM (#6101461)
'of" or 'for'?
Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by jlgreco on Thursday July 25, 2013 @07:04AM (#6101802)
"of".

Are you not aware of what a troll is? Because you are plainly one.

Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by darkarmani on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @11:03AM (#6096567)
Breasts aren't sexual organs.
Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by netcan on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @11:17AM (#6096646)
This is the first time I've gotten a youtube comment on HN.

fuckwit?

Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by jlgreco on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @12:15PM (#6097031)
Nice dodge. He may have been abrasive, but he makes an extremely valid point.
Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by moocowduckquack on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @11:25AM (#6096695)
It seemed appropriate given the way you approach sex.

I thought about a more polite way of phrasing it, but nothing else seemed quite as succinct and to the point.

Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by netcan on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @12:25PM (#6097107)
I know I'm feeding the troll, but..

Have a look at what I wrote in context. I didn't make any normative statement. Nothing in that tells you anything about how I approach sex. I was talking about television standards & practices, classification systems, the public perception of what is normal and the interplay between those.

Oh and.. you're a poophead.

Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by moocowduckquack on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @03:37PM (#6098553)
I don't care if you don't use normative statements. I wasn't saying that your view of how the world should be is crazy, I was saying that your view of how the world is, is crazy.
Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by darkarmani on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @11:02AM (#6096558)
> Seeing breasts, arses & fleeting (preferably comical) glimpses of balls is normal and OK, but unadvisable for young children.

Which is why we always cover our baby's eyes before breastfeeding.

Re:Cameron ‘Porn’ Advisor’s website ‘hacked’ – Threatens/Lib... by Cakez0r on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @07:20AM (#6095475)
And the collateral damage of an automated filtering system is huge.