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Re:Tough Crowd by ph0rque on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @12:33PM (#607123)
One thought that came to mind is this: why not answer with, "I have a straightforward, textbook answer, but also some thoughts/questions about your assumptions in the question. Which is it that you're looking for?"

(Note: this question would be asked in a friendly, collaboration-seeking tone of voice/body language.)

Re:Tough Crowd by raganwald on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @01:05PM (#607184)
There are two subjects: How to interview, and how to be interviewed. Say we were talking about wearing a tie. My post would be about why you don't want to require ties in interviews. Your comment is that if the company might require ties, it might be sensible to ask them what to wear before showing up.

I think that your suggestion and my post can coëxist happily.

Re:Tough Crowd by ph0rque on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @01:07PM (#607188)
Absolutely... I guess as someone who will be doing two interviews with different companies in the next several days, I've been in the mindset of the interviewee.
Re:Tough Crowd by raganwald on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @01:09PM (#607195)
Good luck finding the right situation!
Re:Tough Crowd by azanar on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @05:05PM (#607650)
Thinking about this from the interviewee side of the table, the answer I am given to this would provide me with a concrete datapoint about the culture I would be entering into. Is this a place where we are constantly seeking out better understanding of problems to come to better solutions? Or is this a place where the problems are not my concern, solutions are already determined before my involvement, and my role is just to grind out specifics of how that solution ought to be implemented? It might not play out that way if/when I'm hired, but it would be a big red flag depending on the answer.

From the perspective of the interviewer, I would worry about the interviewee who asks me this question. Do the feel the need to ask permission every time they want to explore the problem space? How often will they have a concern, but wanting to not appear confrontational or difficult, they don't even ask for permission to raise the concern? This may be good for workplace harmony and short-term image maintenance, but it sucks as a long-term strategy for corporate success and personal fulfillment and advancement. I realize this is in a person's socialization, and habits they form from interactions with past management. I also realize that other potential future employers would view this entirely differently; this is a sign this person is capable of fitting into a corporate culture where people just do things. This is a warning sign that this candidate would not work out well in any culture I could see myself hiring people into.

It seems a better strategy to just behave for the corporate culture you would want to be hired into, and let the ones that dislike your approach kick you to the curb. You’d probably be unhappy there once you were hired on anyway.

Re:Tough Crowd by batasrki on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @01:07PM (#607185)
Would this be something you'd do in a real-world situation? Or would you question the requirements and the need for such a feature?

I'd be doing the latter, so why should I have to behave differently during an interview?

Re:Tough Crowd by ph0rque on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @01:08PM (#607193)
I agree with you, but an interview is not quite "the real world", which is something that all the parties involved realize.
Re:Tough Crowd by batasrki on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @01:32PM (#607232)
That is, I think, the problem with posing a question like this. I can only speak about what I'd do. This question would kick my mind into "real-world" mode. I'd want to compare alternative approaches and generally talk it out.

If this is not what the interviewer wanted, they'd be better served by asking a slightly more fantastical question that would still show problem-solving skills. Also, the interviewer should qualify the question by saying that "this isn't a real world situation, I just want an algorithm". I don't know how someone would react to that situation.

Re:Tough Crowd by ionfish on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @12:41PM (#607144)
I think you're confusing friendliness with subservience.
Re:Tough Crowd by jeffesp on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @02:38PM (#607384)
I would agree. As an aside: Isn't the subservience part of what many employers are looking for? I think some are even looking for it legitimately. Of course those aren't the best place to work. I have always felt like there is a fine line to be walked here (as an employee).
Re:Tough Crowd by azanar on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @05:26PM (#607687)
Isn't the subservience part of what many employers are looking for? I think some are even looking for it legitimately.

It is.

Even more astonishing, at least to me, is that it is what some, maybe even a lot of, employees are looking for as well. Without an employer, or someone who they can submit to the authority of, to tell them what to work on when, they would be miserable and directionless. They crave structure, but need someone else to define it for them. They also become quite incensed when someone wants to remove that same structure because it gets in their way.

Some jobs allow or require a certain amount of this. Generally, it is jobs that are part of an established process, like manufacturing, that just needs someone to repetitively perform a particular step with reasonably consistently. This might be true of most jobs.

Other jobs do very poorly being treated as part of an established process. But people will select candidates for that anyway, because it works in the average case. The result of this is attempting to swaddle process around something inherently without process, just so the people involved can feel comfortable with the structure that guides their work. It does mean that productivity tends to suffer as a result of all of the process requirements, but many employers and employees consider it a worthwhile trade-off.

I get the sense that it's not that the line is fine, but that so many people toe it so tightly that, to someone who doesn't, it looks fine by comparison.