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Re:Why This Hacker Stood Up Against ‘Verbal Abuse’ in Linux ... by 14113 on Friday July 19, 2013 @10:02AM (#6070189)
Ok, now I don't want to make this a gender issue, but this article really can't decide, at one point they say:

>I also got some really awful hate mail that tried to drag my gender in. But I don’t think this is a gendered topic

then a couple of responses later they say:

> I think that my perspective is somewhat colored by both my gender and my age

Which is it?

Re:Why This Hacker Stood Up Against ‘Verbal Abuse’ in Linux ... by Robin_Message on Friday July 19, 2013 @10:50AM (#6070497)
N.B. I have no dog in this race, so what I say below is meant to be neutral to the issue.

I don't think there is any contradiction in what she says.

Gender, age, upbringing, education – all those things will influence someone's perspective on an issue.

But the issue itself is not about gender. Plenty of men don't want communicate via a lot of "Shut the fuck up, this is shit", and obviously women can swear and put people down, so it is not a gender issue. It is a style of communication issue, and the argument is:

Linus: I hate fake politeness and game-playing, so I'm just gonna let rip, especially on people who waste my time (implictly, to discourage that strongly).

Sarah: You can be assertive without being rude, and politeness is important in a professional context.

Her viewpoint might be different, and her gender might influence that, but that doesn't make it a gender issue.

Re:Why This Hacker Stood Up Against ‘Verbal Abuse’ in Linux ... by lke on Friday July 19, 2013 @10:58AM (#6070547)
Hum... How about her gender colors her perspective but is not the issue ?

Gender affect a lot of your environment and your education so you can't escape it's influence. But in this case gender is not a significative parameter in one's perception of Linus and his strong-mouthness.

Re:Why This Hacker Stood Up Against ‘Verbal Abuse’ in Linux ... by peterwwillis on Friday July 19, 2013 @11:03AM (#6070591)
The fuck do you mean, which is it? Those are two different fucking things, dipshit.

The fucking topic is whether communication on the KML should be a bunch of stupid assholes giving each other shit. The topic has nothing to do with fucking gender. She's just saying (as is obvious to anyone with a BRAIN) that who she is as a person influences her opinion on the topic.

Get it now, dumbass?

[this has been an example of how Linus would like us to talk on the KML]

Re:Why This Hacker Stood Up Against ‘Verbal Abuse’ in Linux ... by jpulec on Friday July 19, 2013 @10:47AM (#6070478)
> So I think they picked up a little bit of the brogrammer culture and kind of said: “Yeah it’s OK to yell at each other because we’ll obviously just meet over beer and pound each other on the back and it will be all fine.”

> Sometimes, that just doesn’t work for people who aren’t men.

I also found this to be confusing....

Re:Why This Hacker Stood Up Against ‘Verbal Abuse’ in Linux ... by ivraatiems on Friday July 19, 2013 @11:15AM (#6070683)
Just because it's not a topic which is gender-related doesn't mean gender can't color your opinions of it.
Re:Why This Hacker Stood Up Against ‘Verbal Abuse’ in Linux ... by stefantalpalaru on Friday July 19, 2013 @11:48AM (#6070902)
I find it fascinating that "gender" completely replaced "sex" in American English.