Especially for a company that big, you'd expect some backbone.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/04/google-fights-nsl/ for example.
Just because not every fight is public doesn't mean they aren't happening.
Yahoo fought for 5 years before their fight became public.
Could you please elaborate what it means to be "forced" in a democratic, free, law-abiding country?
Do you mean CEO of Google had a gun at their face? Do you mean they were treated to get electricity cut off? Internet cut off? Engineers thrown in jail without fair trial? Please kindly tell me what it means where a free democratic government is "forcing" you to comply with a secret unethical, most likely unlawful and surely unconstitutional request?
You can be compelled by the US government to do things you might not like to do. Google can either comply since they are a US based company, or not. The benefits of compliance outweigh the downsides of not complying.
>secret unethical, most likely unlawful and surely unconstitutional request?
There has been no evidence that what the NSA is doing is illegal. It has congressional oversight and approval.
I'm thinking that the US Government would have a much harder time prosecuting a high-profile, wealthy CEO over a systems administrator no one had heard of until a month ago. And the media attention would be harder to derail.
I'm thinking that the US Government would have a much
harder time prosecuting a high-profile, wealthy CEO
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-story-of-joseph-nacchio-a... "Only One Big Telecom CEO Refused To Cave To The NSA ...
And He's Been In Jail For 4 Years
https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2013-J... We know what happened in the case of QWest before 9/11.
They contacted the CEO/Chairman asking to wiretap all the
customers. After he consulted with Legal, he refused. As
a result, NSA canceled a bunch of unrelated billion dollar
contracts that QWest was the top bidder for. And then the
DoJ targeted him and prosecuted him and put him in prison
for insider trading -- on the theory that he knew of
anticipated income from secret programs that QWest was
planning for the government, while the public didn't
because it was classified and he couldn't legally tell
them, and then he bought or sold QWest stock
knowing those things.
This CEO's name is Joseph P. Nacchio and TODAY he's still
serving a trumped-up 6-year federal prison sentence today
for quietly refusing an NSA demand to massively wiretap
his customers.He would go to jail. And then, instead of being a powerful executive in a strong position to push the government to do the right thing, he would be powerless.
Microsoft is an even worse offender here, with their recent marketing campaigns slamming Google for privacy while they themselves were apparently being 'forced' to disrespect their users privacy.
Don't claim something that you know that you cannot provide, even if you want to provide it.
Trusted...how? I guess we need to define trusted.
Google isn't selling your email history to the highest 3rd party bidder for extra money. They are complying with the law, handing over specific info for specific legal requests from the US government.
That's what I'd expect any company which espouses a "do no evil" policy to do. Literally, if you are doing evil, especially if you are being compelled to do so, take whatever action is necessary to prevent further evil from being done.
As for the letter in the article, I find it completely insufficient. Asking for the ability to disclose how many secret compulsions are made against these companies isn't useful information for us. Further, it doesn't actually fix the problem. There shouldn't be secret requests being made. It should all be done under normal warrants, with exceptional cases that actually require secrecy decided by a judge, not the NSA. In this way, when your information is collected but isn't pertinent to national security, Google can actually inform you.
This directly contradicts what he is mentioning above. When you are compelled to do something, it doesn't mean you are facilitating. It means you are being forced.
> Who at Google failed to tell the truth until it served their own interests?
Has anyone up until the last month when the press decided to take up the Snowden case 24x7 actually asked Google if this was going on? Books about this subject and the NSA goings on have been published for 5+ years now. Maybe no one cared enough to pay attention? Or it was known and ignored until now because no one thought it newsworthy? That doesn't mean Google was keeping it secret.