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Re:The crux of the NSA story in one phrase: 'collect it all' by mtgx on Monday July 15, 2013 @01:14PM (#6046945)
> "That is the definition of a ubiquitous surveillance state - and it's been built in the dark, without the knowledge of the American people or people around the world, even though it's aimed at them. How anyone could think this should have all remained concealed - that it would have been better had it just been left to fester and grow in the dark - is truly mystifying."

Maybe they didn't expect it to remain in secret forever - but just enough for them to spent trillions of dollars on it, and make hundreds of facilities all over the world, until it would be close to impossible to roll it all back, even if everything does become public.

You only need to look at the ever growing military industrial complex to know what I'm talking about. It used to be that wars kept the MIC expanding, but now it's become the other way around - MIC is lobbying for more wars, more militarization of the police internally and all over the world, just to keep themselves well fed.

They've almost finished the Utah data center, if it's not finished already. So what are they going to do now? Destroy it?

Re:The crux of the NSA story in one phrase: 'collect it all' by yk on Monday July 15, 2013 @04:06PM (#6048231)
Probably they did not even think that PRISM/surveillance is a problem. If you look how the security establishment reacts, I think it is entirely possible that no one in their circles ever thought that total surveillance may be unjustified, when "we" do it to "keep America save."