News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Why We Can No Longer Trust Microsoft by rst on Monday July 15, 2013 @09:03AM (#6045233)
Correction: Yahoo did fight, and lost. The details aren't all released, but here's a precis of what's public:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/yahoo-failed-fisa-f...

It's possible that there's as-yet undisclosed legal action with some of the others; the secrecy around just about any proceeding in the FISC makes it very hard to tell.

Re:Why We Can No Longer Trust Microsoft by sageikosa on Monday July 15, 2013 @09:42AM (#6045425)
I wondered the same thing. With secret courts and secret hearings, who knows who is fighting or not for our rights?
Re:Why We Can No Longer Trust Microsoft by flexie on Monday July 15, 2013 @10:06AM (#6045578)
Fighting unconstitutional laws in the phony secret "court" set up by the same laws is not really fighting, is it? It's sort of accepting the terms.

Take the battle to the real courts and ask them to decide on the matter.

Re:Why We Can No Longer Trust Microsoft by talmand on Monday July 15, 2013 @10:40AM (#6045808)
Exactly how do you get standing to sue the government for something they are not doing with something that does not exist?
Re:Why We Can No Longer Trust Microsoft by sageikosa on Monday July 15, 2013 @10:39AM (#6045797)
Unfortunately, those are real courts, their functions and jurisdictions have been established by the Congress.
Re:Why We Can No Longer Trust Microsoft by flexie on Monday July 15, 2013 @10:53AM (#6045907)
If congress can redefine courts into what is basically an administrative panel, then the entire separation of powers can be short-circuited.

It's not a court just because congress says so.

Re:Why We Can No Longer Trust Microsoft by gwright on Monday July 15, 2013 @11:45AM (#6046290)
> The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.

Congress certainly does have the 'say so' -- at least with 'inferior Courts'. That still leaves the Supreme Court though as final arbiter.

Re:Why We Can No Longer Trust Microsoft by genwin on Monday July 15, 2013 @11:30AM (#6046184)
That's the crux of the matter. The root cause is that half of Americans are okay with such courts.
Re:Why We Can No Longer Trust Microsoft by sageikosa on Monday July 15, 2013 @12:33PM (#6046623)
I'd like to agree with you. I believe there is a category of societal actions that constitutes a court of justice within the framework of a civil society; secrecy doesn't fall into that category.