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Re:Smart people can rationalize anything by swombat on Monday May 11, 2009 @02:36PM (#603979)
To add onto the title point... yes, smart people can rationalise and explain anything.

This is why I rarely ever change my mind during a conversation. There's two parts to that.

1) I am usually able to construct a convincing counter-argument to whatever the other person is arguing, and so it is difficult to "win" the argument, so to speak.

2) I am aware of this, and also aware that a smart person I'm talking to will be equally able to construct a convincing argument - irrespective of the merits of what they're arguing.

So, to me, a good heated argument is just a good device to bring out pro and con arguments and clash them "in the field", so to speak. But a heated argument is not the place to come to a conclusion about which side of the argument is more correct. That needs to be done after the argument, in the peace and quiet of your own head, over the following days.

The funny thing is, often, I do change my mind after the argument (even though I was making a strong case for the opposing view during the argument), and it can be quite surprising for people to overhear me, 2 days later, arguing the very opposite of my previous point with equal vehemence.

Re:Smart people can rationalize anything by Confusion on Tuesday May 12, 2009 @01:27AM (#604941)
I've found that it pays to argue all sides of a discussion. Provide arguments in favor of the other's opinion, provide arguments against your own position, counter-arguments against your arguments, etc., all the while providing context and relative valuations of the arguments. When the other party is not capable of arguing their case or they need to be convinced that your case is superior, then this will not only broaden your view on the subject, but it will also give you a good chance of steering the outcome towards the solution you prefer.

Of course, if you are just discussing matters with smart colleagues to flesh out dis(advantages), then you don't have to do that much work and can just ride the waves.

Re:Smart people can rationalize anything by ErrantX on Monday May 11, 2009 @02:46PM (#604007)
Regarding your last point I suffer from that too.

Well I say suffer: it comes from experience. In the past I used to change minds mid-argument - which just caused confusion and I ended up looking like a complete train wreck. Your right: argue your position hard but dont be scared to change it after the fact (after weighing the evidence). It's the classic Gut (instant feeling) vs. Head (rationale decision) theory.

Re:Smart people can rationalize anything by randallsquared on Monday May 11, 2009 @03:26PM (#604117)
Rationale and rational are different words. Just in case that wasn't a typo. :)
Re:Smart people can rationalize anything by ErrantX on Monday May 11, 2009 @05:55PM (#604410)
rationale is what I meant. "rationale based decisions" would be a better way of putting it (there is an important distinction between that and a "rational decision")
Re:Smart people can rationalize anything by berntb on Monday May 11, 2009 @03:38PM (#604145)
I think this is an age thing.

I used to say that I'll probably change most of my opinions in the coming decade, but it is probably not true anymore; less than 50% will be changed in 2019, if I still live.

That is because the (few) opinions I have are quite well tested.

(There is also a distinction between my opinions and my more numerous "working hypotheses".)

Re:Smart people can rationalize anything by JacobAldridge on Monday May 11, 2009 @07:28PM (#604545)
I think this is a personality thing (as well, perhaps). Some people seem very able to process new information in a discussion / argument, and either evolve their viewpoint or completely change their mind.

Others, me included, do need the time afterwards to process that information.