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Re:Secret government: America against democracy by modeless on Wednesday July 10, 2013 @02:42PM (#6021903)
Clapper v. Amnesty International is not precedent for the constitutionality of the recently revealed surveillance. It's irrelevant now because surveillance is proven, not hypothetical. Besides, it was 5-4, hardly ironclad.

Furthermore, to the extent that Congress hid actual violations of the constitution behind secrecy laws, the judicial branch has failed in its duty to uphold the constitution. SCOTUS was wrong to deny standing. Protecting our constitutional rights shouldn't require breaking the law just to prove standing first. You seem incapable of expressing a position or opinion about what the courts should do, rather than what they will do or have done, so you'll undoubtedly disagree.

Re:Secret government: America against democracy by DannyBee on Thursday July 11, 2013 @12:06AM (#6024419)
Clapper will be used as the closest precedent.

I am not incapable of expression a position, I just don't find it a useful exercise of anything in particular in this instance. You seem a bit annoyed at this, for reasons i can't understand.

If you don't want to know what they are likely to do, why bother asking me rather than anyone else on the street?

The only thing you'll discover is whatever personal beliefs i have about the subject. Since they don't really matter to what will happen, who cares?

It won't help anything. I'd rather be doing things to help than complaining about how the court is wrong on an internet site (no offense meant to you, really!), so I am.