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Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by jlgreco on Sunday July 07, 2013 @08:49PM (#6004388)
I think that there is value in dropping the minimum wage for teenagers dramatically, regardless of these issues. Giving teenagers another place to get yelled at for not working hard enough (besides just school and home) is clearly beneficial (as you note about the military) but the options that you list are not sufficient. They require too much of a lifestyle change which makes those programs seem inaccessible. Letting the sandwich shop down the road yell at teenagers for $4/hr is better than having teenagers go halfway across the state with Job Corps.

Teenagers in rural areas already have plenty of opportunities to be employed below minimum wage, but these opportunities largely do not exist right now in urban areas. I suspect this partially accounts for the employment discrepancies in rural and urban areas.

(Dropping the minimum wage for this should only be done for teenagers who have more social safety-nets than adults.)

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by bluedino on Sunday July 07, 2013 @09:26PM (#6004524)
> They require too much of a lifestyle change which makes those programs seem inaccessible. Letting the sandwich shop down the road yell at teenagers for $4/hr is better than having teenagers go halfway across the state with Job Corps.

A lot of these kids need exactly that - a change of environment. I have a second cousin whose mother is always getting fired from minimum wage jobs, is constantly getting kicked out of apartments, and couldn't provide him with a stable home life. His dad is long gone.

Job Corps provided him with a place to stay, training, and a job. But the best part of it was that he had to move an hour and a half away, close enough to visit but far enough where he wouldn't be distracted by all the trouble in our crime-ridden and poverty stricken city. They also teach personal skills and things like money management.

If you don't get the kid out of the ghetto, you'll have trouble getting the ghetto out of the kid.

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by jlgreco on Sunday July 07, 2013 @09:33PM (#6004555)
Oh sure, a lot of those kids definitely need the Job Corps. I wouldn't support discontinuing that program.

I'm just saying that the Job Corps isn't a great fit for all teenagers, and that all teenagers would benefit from working at any sort of job (and that a lower minimum wage for teenagers would facilitate this. I think that work for the sake of work is good for teenagers, but that minimum wage gets in the way of this).

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by readme on Sunday July 07, 2013 @11:18PM (#6004965)
I agree, the sandwich shop up the road did yell at me when I worked there for lower than minimum wage under the table at more than one shop.

What jgreco suggests is good, as long as it's just for teens and doesn't go lower than it currently is (i.e., lets raise it for adults, since they often have to feed children)

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by readme on Sunday July 07, 2013 @11:16PM (#6004961)
>dropping the minimum wage for teenagers

I can agree to this, except, lets do it this way: lets leave the minimum wage where it is for teens, and raise it for everyone else. That'd also solve the problem of adults working jobs that are meant for teens.

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by jlgreco on Sunday July 07, 2013 @11:47PM (#6005072)
Aye, that is a great way to do it. Probably easier to implement it that way from a political point of view.
Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by newnewnew on Monday July 08, 2013 @12:39AM (#6005225)
Who's in charge of deciding which jobs are "meant" for teens?
Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by readme on Monday July 08, 2013 @01:00AM (#6005260)
It wouldn't be such a big deal to prevent adults from taking these jobs, it just needs to be more attractive for companies to give them to students. So, the lower wage alone would be a good enough incentive for them.

Once the minimum wage was lower for "school jobs" the market would efficiently define which jobs can be given to school kids and which can't.

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by prostoalex on Monday July 08, 2013 @12:12AM (#6005151)
Wouldn't you have two problems then?
Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by readme on Monday July 08, 2013 @01:01AM (#6005262)
Why, is the law going to be updated with a regular expression?
Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by prostoalex on Monday July 08, 2013 @01:26PM (#6007907)
1) Increased unemployment in the adult segment, due to teenagers stealing their jobs.

2) Need for government agency to enforce the age requirements. Modeled after immigration authority, such agency would need to be able to raid the businesses in order to do age verification, to ensure that teenager-compatible jobs are not given to adults. Also, such agency needs to ensure that people are fired on the day they reach 20th birthday, and thus lose the "teen" status.

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by tomjen3 on Monday July 08, 2013 @05:14PM (#6009341)
I don't think you need the second part - the only requirement is that the older people be payed more.
Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by prostoalex on Monday July 08, 2013 @09:23PM (#6010530)
If they have not received raises after spending many years with the business, then it's unlikely that their years of experience matter.

And if their years of experience do not matter, they would be replaced with lower-cost younger labor well in advance of them reaching particular age group considered "older".

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by jiggy2011 on Sunday July 07, 2013 @09:02PM (#6004435)
This is precisely the policy that we have here in the UK. https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates