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Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by amichail on Friday May 08, 2009 @05:50PM (#600291)
How often do you need an answer to something that is not already available on the web and there is no other tool on the web that can compute it?

While Wolfram Alpha is more sophisticated than Google in some ways, Google is better in terms of being practical for a much larger number of people.

In other words, this appears to be a niche product.

Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by martythemaniak on Friday May 08, 2009 @06:04PM (#600313)
And of course, you've come to this opinion after extensive use of Wolfram Alpha over a good period of time. No? Just empty prejudices based on second-hand impressions?

Honestly, what's with the battle lines being drawn? The product hasn't come out yet, and basically no one has used it. It seems like it will be an excellent compliment to existing search engines and data sources, but you have to wait and see.

Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by amichail on Friday May 08, 2009 @06:19PM (#600336)
In addition to second-hand impressions, there's a long history of failed products/approaches similar to this one.

Google has found a sweet spot. And it won't change anytime soon.

Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by volida on Friday May 08, 2009 @06:34PM (#600364)
which are the the similar failed stories?
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by amichail on Friday May 08, 2009 @06:42PM (#600379)
Natural language interfaces have failed repeatedly. And so have attempts at the semantic web.

What does work and scales is more free form as is the case with the Web today.

And Google makes "free form" work.

Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by volida on Saturday May 09, 2009 @12:34AM (#600726)
there are people out there that cant write in C. Does that mean good programs wouldnt have been written in it?
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by jonknee on Friday May 08, 2009 @06:43PM (#600382)
Remember Cuil? Fostering press that you're an X killer is a good sign of future failure.
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by volida on Saturday May 09, 2009 @12:40AM (#600728)
you havent even tried it yet. How is it possible το compare two different products? You can put two different people implement the same concepts in algorithms and you will get two different results and you compare a whole product because others failed?
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by jonknee on Saturday May 09, 2009 @03:28AM (#600810)
Read the thread again, I was simply giving an example of a similar failed story. Wolfram may or may not fail at this, I simply believe hype of a Google killer before launch is a bad sign.
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by jlefo7p6 on Saturday May 09, 2009 @12:59AM (#600733)
I can appreciate Empiricism as much as the next guy, but Google Search, Cuil, and Alpha seem comparable.

edit: the dreaded homonym! I mean they can be meaningfully compared to each other, not that they are the equivalent.

Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by logjam on Friday May 08, 2009 @06:19PM (#600337)
Your criticisms apply just as easily to the carefully built, optimistic buzz Wolfram is attempting to create...the same thing he tried with "A New Kind of Science".
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by SwellJoe on Friday May 08, 2009 @07:44PM (#600479)
the same thing he tried with "A New Kind of Science".

Which is, it turns out, the single most important book about science in the history of the printed word. In fact, it might be more important than the printed word itself. It's a new kind of printed word.

Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by boryas on Saturday May 09, 2009 @02:11AM (#600767)
I hope that was sarcasm
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by SwellJoe on Saturday May 09, 2009 @10:23PM (#601729)
So, what tipped you off?
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by jerf on Friday May 08, 2009 @07:15PM (#600444)
We've all been using Google (and web search in general) for so long that it has fundamentally shaped the questions we ask of the Internet to the point that we don't even think questions that we could ask, but don't. We filter them out of our thought process. Just as the people of 1980 didn't keep saying to themselves "Curses, if only it were 2005 and I had the service that will eventually be called Google!" every time they thought of a question. (With a few exceptions, but only a very few.)

The question is, will Alpha expand our capabilities and thus expand the questions we would ask? Of course you don't have any questions that could be answered by Alpha but not Google; you've been trained out of asking them for over a decade now. Can Alpha change that?

Beat me. I certainly trend skeptical. But an important part of being a skeptic is being able to change your mind with more data, and I am ready to try it out and see. We can't really have an informed opinion on this question until we live with it for a while, which absolutely nobody has.

Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by anigbrowl on Friday May 08, 2009 @07:01PM (#600416)
All I can say is 'it's different'. Wolfram said this morning that he is not seeking to compete with Google, about whom he spoke generously. Rather, his goal is to provide a fast interface to a wide range of computable data.

As an example of its quirkiness, 2 slices of swiss cheese + 1 leaf of lettuce + 1 quarter pound burger gives me a USDA style nutrition label. If I add bacon it says it doesn't know what I mean :-)

Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by ivanstojic on Friday May 08, 2009 @06:04PM (#600312)
And what do we, as a startup crowd, keep saying about niche markets?
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by SwellJoe on Friday May 08, 2009 @07:45PM (#600480)
I don't know. What do we say about niche markets?
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by chaosmachine on Friday May 08, 2009 @08:13PM (#600510)
Niche markets pay my bills, so I'd say they're great.
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by _giu on Friday May 08, 2009 @06:25PM (#600346)
I think Wolfram Alpha targets a different target audience as Google does. I second the fact that WA appears to be a niche product, since a lot of people will find more information using Google rather than WA (the "Orson Welles" example is a good one. the second search result on Google is Welles' IMDB-page). summa sumarum we have to wait 'til the 18th of May to see what is hiding behind the big WA wall.