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Re:“Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book” by mtgx on Sunday July 07, 2013 @12:44PM (#6002478)
The problem is the public thinks that those being targeted are all dirty evil criminals, and I also think America as a whole doesn't have an "innocent before guilty" mentality. It's not just the American leaders that have corrupt minds. It's also a lot of Americans, who are supporting this sort of stuff.

The media is also not helping at all, and making the problem worse, because they are usually on the government's side when it comes to such issues.

Re:“Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book” by stcredzero on Sunday July 07, 2013 @01:03PM (#6002546)
The presumption of innocence is not directly enshrined in the constitution, and in the case of some crimes, like rape, has been deliberately and explicitly weakened.
Re:“Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book” by Steuard on Sunday July 07, 2013 @05:44PM (#6003660)
This is a bit off topic for this thread but given that you brought it up:

It is hard for me to look at, say, Steubenville[1] (to take just the most publicized of several examples that I've seen in the news lately) and understand how anyone can suggest that accused rapists aren't given a presumption of innocence in our society. The blame heaped on rape victims is often tremendous, even when everyone knows that it happened.

(In the Steubenville case, there were widely shared photos documenting what happened to the young woman in question and at least one video of a guy at the same party laughing about what his friends had done to her, and most of the local community evidently still strongly sided with her rapists.)

[1] http://sports.yahoo.com/news/highschool--steubenville-high-s...

Re:“Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book” by GeneralMayhem on Monday July 08, 2013 @02:11AM (#6005409)
If you look at the community of Steubenville, yes.

If you look at the wider picture of media coverage, quite the opposite. Reddit started the witch trial pretty much instantly, with some of the most upvoted comments being for life in prison or worse.

Look at the backlash when CNN referred to the accused as boys with a formerly promising future whose lives were now ruined. God forbid you show an ounce of sympathy for accused rapists, because it's impossible to be sympathetic to the victim and not want anyone to go through the hell that the rest of their collective life is going to be.

Re:“Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book” by betterunix on Sunday July 07, 2013 @07:31PM (#6004073)
It is hard to look at this case and find any presumption of innocence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

Re:“Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book” by valleyer on Monday July 08, 2013 @12:24AM (#6005187)
Sample size: 1.
Re:“Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book” by stcredzero on Tuesday July 09, 2013 @04:22AM (#6011652)
There are dozens of examples in local jurisdictions, as well as lots of policies in private institutions. Unfortunately, someone as yet needs to talk about this who doesn't manage to come across as an angry male loser. AFAIK, this hasn't penetrated the popular consciousness yet.
Re:“Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book” by rday on Sunday July 07, 2013 @01:24PM (#6002631)
I had a very charged discussion with friends just the other night about this very idea. I argued that even if a defendant has the resources to get to a jury trial, the jury is prejudiced against the "criminal" from the start.

It turned out, however, that each person in the room had either been wrongly accused of a crime or knew someone that had been railroaded by the system. They knew that the prosecution wasn't perfect. My sample size is 6 people, myself included, and we are all fairly educated.

Regarding the media, everyone in the room agreed that the Nancy Graces of the world are actively harming our society...

Re:“Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book” by mindcrime on Monday July 08, 2013 @12:10AM (#6005145)
FWIW, I was on a jury for the first and (so far) only time, about 2 years ago. It wasn't a big, flashy murder or rape case, just a guy being accused of breaking into a cop car and stealing a flashlight and a handheld radio. But, I found that the other jurors, by and large, took the "innocent until proven guilty" thing VERY seriously. I know that most of us thought he was "probably" guilty, but in the end, we actually acquitted him on all charges because we didn't believe the State had proven he was guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Granted it's just one anecdote about one jury on one case in North Carolina, but this jury was not prejudiced against the "criminal" from the start. And, if anything, by the end, most of us were biased against the State for being (or appearing to be) some combination of: incompetent (the investigator from the Sheriff's department), abusive / a plain dick ( the prosecutor), and/or dishonest (the cop who had his car broken into).

Re:“Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book” by jbooth on Sunday July 07, 2013 @12:48PM (#6002494)
The media's on sensationalism's side, and the mob's side.