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Re:SpaceX's Grasshopper Successfully Flew 325 Metres by xtc on Saturday July 06, 2013 @12:50PM (#5999289)
Honestly I would like to see some spectacular failures. Just as Gwynne stated recently, if SpaceX doesn't generate a few craters with this program during testing it means they aren't trying as hard as they can. I'm glad Grasshopper will have its flight ceiling lifted soon with the new testing facility.

Not to say a 100% flight record wouldn't be fantastic, but I'd really enjoy seeing the trend of doubling height to continue, or even greater.

Re:SpaceX's Grasshopper Successfully Flew 325 Metres by starpilot on Saturday July 06, 2013 @02:27PM (#5999583)
Re:SpaceX's Grasshopper Successfully Flew 325 Metres by Osmium on Saturday July 06, 2013 @01:51PM (#5999479)
Eh. SpaceX is very conservative in many ways. Part of the reason they've been so successful is that they've taken tried-and-tested rocket designs and just refined them to be more efficient, rather than trying something brand new and exotic, so I wouldn't say it's a bad thing they haven't had any "spectacular failures." It just means the core technology is finally getting mature enough to be reliable and cost-effective, which is a good thing.
Re:SpaceX's Grasshopper Successfully Flew 325 Metres by mjn on Saturday July 06, 2013 @12:53PM (#5999300)
They still have about 10x to go to hit the VTOL rocket record of 3140 meters [1], which they seem to be aiming for, so I assume some more doubling-or-greater is in the works.

[1] http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/x-33/dc-xa.htm

Re:SpaceX's Grasshopper Successfully Flew 325 Metres by xtc on Saturday July 06, 2013 @12:58PM (#5999318)
I can't wait.
Re:SpaceX's Grasshopper Successfully Flew 325 Metres by mikeash on Saturday July 06, 2013 @03:13PM (#5999726)
Failures don't have to be spectacular to be useful. One of the nice things about a reusable vehicle (and one reason why rockets are so much more expensive than aircraft to develop) is that you can test things incrementally, such that a failure in whatever new thing you're trying won't doom the system as a whole.

Look at the Apollo program, for example. I doubt anyone would say they weren't trying as hard as they could, and yet the only failure I'd call "spectacular" was the very dumb and useless failure of Apollo 1. There were lots of other failures, of course. Apollo 11 had persistent trouble with the computer during landing, nearly leading to an abort. Apollo 12 got hit by lightning on launch, twice, and the mission was only saved by quick thinking. Apollo 13, in addition to the famous explosion that happened partway through the mission, lost an engine on launch. On later investigation, it turned out that the engine loss was due to massive oscillations in the rocket that would have torn it apart within a few more seconds if the engine hadn't fortuitously shut down. Apollo 14 had docking trouble, had to have its computer reprogrammed by the crew in flight to work around a faulty switch, and finally had a radar failure, all of which threatened the mission's success if not the astronauts' lives. Apollo 15's first stage didn't shut off when it was supposed to, nearly requiring a launch abort. Apollo 16 looks to be the first one that didn't encounter major problems.

I wouldn't be surprised if SpaceX didn't have a lot of similar failures, which are big deals to them but don't look like anything other than "success" to outside observers.

Re:SpaceX's Grasshopper Successfully Flew 325 Metres by marvin on Saturday July 06, 2013 @04:41PM (#6000011)
Expanding on your post, the previous Falcon 9 launch had an unplanned engine shutdown in the first stage.
Re:SpaceX's Grasshopper Successfully Flew 325 Metres by mikeash on Saturday July 06, 2013 @05:04PM (#6000067)
Yep, and the first three Falcon 1 launches all had major failures, with the first one ending in a pretty big kaboom.