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Re:EU Parliament supports the possible suspension of U.S. da... by arethuza on Friday July 05, 2013 @06:59AM (#5994344)
"The death penalty is wrong" - that's all you need to say, not because of the possibility of someone innocent being executed, for me it's just plain wrong.

[And yes, this applies to all the genocidal murderous maniacs of history - if it was my call I wouldn't execute anyone ever].

Re:EU Parliament supports the possible suspension of U.S. da... by nileshtrivedi on Friday July 05, 2013 @08:30AM (#5994568)
Doesn't that mean all wars are immoral (irrespective of the justifications like defense)? Would you say that the military too should not be allowed to ever kill anyone? If no, I see an inconsistency that needs to be explained.
Re:EU Parliament supports the possible suspension of U.S. da... by lmm on Friday July 05, 2013 @09:05AM (#5994673)
If someone will not submit to the judgement of the law then it's permissible and indeed often necessary to kill them. But if someone gives themselves up or is captured then they should not be killed. In the same way soldiers in a war have a right to surrender, and those who surrender should not be killed - but it's permissible to kill those who don't.
Re:EU Parliament supports the possible suspension of U.S. da... by nileshtrivedi on Saturday July 06, 2013 @07:58AM (#5998647)
This seems like sound reasoning. Thanks for wording it so clearly.
Re:EU Parliament supports the possible suspension of U.S. da... by arethuza on Friday July 05, 2013 @09:09AM (#5994691)
No inconsistency whatsoever - the discussion is about executions as a penalty in a judicial context.

Police, militaries and individuals should all have the right to employ potentially deadly force if required and justified within a legal context.

Re:EU Parliament supports the possible suspension of U.S. da... by nileshtrivedi on Saturday July 06, 2013 @08:00AM (#5998651)
Yes, that makes sense. I like lmm's comment below that clarifies why these contexts are different.
Re:EU Parliament supports the possible suspension of U.S. da... by PavlovsCat on Friday July 05, 2013 @11:37AM (#5995317)
If there is no way to save a life (or several) other than to use lethal force against the attacker, then I wouldn't consider it murder, but (self-)defense. Otherwise, I couldn't care less if it's legal or who does it, it's not justified.
Re:EU Parliament supports the possible suspension of U.S. da... by welterde on Friday July 05, 2013 @09:10AM (#5994696)
Aren't they? Shouldn't there always be at least one side in the war that isn't just trying to protect their own life?

Killing someone in self-defense (if your own life is in danger and there is no other way out) is quite universally accepted I would think.

Of course this will get quite interesting very fast if an invading army just walks around not trying to shoot anyone.

Re:EU Parliament supports the possible suspension of U.S. da... by rhizome on Friday July 05, 2013 @03:32PM (#5996382)
The challenge here is to help create a world where militaries who kill people are no longer necessary.