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Re:Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leav... by martincmartin on Friday July 05, 2013 @06:04AM (#5994206)
"Lazy" is also what kids with ADHD are labelled. I think "lazy" is a cop-out explanation, since it doesn't actually explain anything. Often the incentives are aligned so that it's in the kid's best interest to put some effort into homework. If they're not doing it, treat it like a debugging program: why aren't they responding to the incentives? Could be depression, ADHD, perfectionism/fear of failure, or a bunch of other things.
Re:Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leav... by ghc on Friday July 05, 2013 @07:48AM (#5994457)
They're not mutually exclusive. I was ADHD diagnosed, but I'm also lazy. Even medication didn't make me less lazy. But then I became a Haskell programmer, and now "laziness is a virtue."

edit: Not making light of ADHD or my own struggles. Medication and self-awareness helped me improve from a B/C student into an A student. But I do find that as an adult I'm able to function without medication because instead of constant studying for tests I'm constantly learning and applying my knowledge.

Re:Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leav... by KennyCason on Friday July 05, 2013 @10:07AM (#5994887)
This comment is great. Was the first thing I read today. I believe I am going to go write some haskell to start my day haha
Re:Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leav... by moheeb on Friday July 05, 2013 @11:30AM (#5995275)
How could the third comment down in a thread be the first thing you read today?
Re:Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leav... by KennyCason on Monday July 08, 2013 @10:10PM (#6010680)
I don't think there's any need to take things so literal.
Re:Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leav... by laumars on Friday July 05, 2013 @06:24AM (#5994249)
You definitely do get some kids that are lazy though. And I know this because I was one of them. I should have made more of an effort at school, but instead I coasted on natural ability. Which has meant that I'd had to put double the effort in later life to make up for the advantage I should have given myself at school.

However I do agree with you that we shouldn't be branding kids as "lazy" without investigation first.

Re:Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leav... by saraid216 on Friday July 05, 2013 @11:16AM (#5995219)
> I think "lazy" is a cop-out explanation, since it doesn't actually explain anything.

In response to sibling comments, I want to QFT this. Laziness, as a diagnosis, has no explanatory power. It's a useless descriptor. It doesn't tell you how to fix it. You can self-diagnose as lazy all you like: that's, wait for it, intellectual laziness.

Re:Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leav... by MattDL on Friday July 05, 2013 @08:03AM (#5994490)
Trust me, laziness is a real thing; even when everything in the world points towards doing the work being the best thing for you, you just can't be bothered.
Re:Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leav... by mikeash on Friday July 05, 2013 @12:11PM (#5995491)
Of course it's a real thing. He never said it wasn't. What he said was that it doesn't explain anything, and that's true.

Laziness is a symptom, not a cause. It's like diagnosing someone with a "cough". It may be correct, but it's pointless, because it's obvious and tells you absolutely nothing about what to do.

Re:Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leav... by diminoten on Friday July 05, 2013 @05:30PM (#5996840)
At what point is a personality merely a symptom? If everything about us is a result of our ailments, and all of our ailments have treatments, how does a person know which parts of his personality are him and which aren't? What am "I" then?
Re:Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leav... by chunky1994 on Friday July 05, 2013 @07:33PM (#5997206)
I would probably say that we can classify our personality as the difference in sets of what anyone with our ability and in the same situation would do, and what we do.

That being said, our ailments could probably be categorized by affecting all aspects of our life equally and in full measure of time (i.e something that doesn't fluctuate across the years is probably an untreated ailment).

Re:Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leav... by eli_gottlieb on Sunday July 07, 2013 @07:22AM (#6001748)
You're the little sane bit sitting on top herding the various cats of brain lobes, psychological disorders and just plain basic insanity into acting as a useful whole every day.

A sufficiently self-managing nutter is indistinguishable from a genius.

Re:Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leav... by mikeash on Friday July 05, 2013 @06:28PM (#5997043)
That's an excellent question to which I am fairly convinced there is no answer, but it's a good one to think about in any case.
Re:Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leav... by SkyMarshal on Friday July 05, 2013 @03:02PM (#5996251)
>even when everything in the world points towards doing the work being the best thing for you, you just can't be bothered.

This is also a perfect description of depression.