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Re:Never Trust Facebook by sneak on Monday July 01, 2013 @05:50PM (#5973818)
> If you want to keep information secret you never give it away, not on internet not on the real life.

How do you apply that seemingly unassailable stance to something like iPhone/iCloud, where photos you take with the only camera you have on you during once-in-a-lifetime-moments are immediately and automatically uploaded to a third party for safekeeping?

The solution to all of this data retention/spying stuff is not "start being meticulously paranoid with all of your data", not the least of which is because that won't scale to the majority of the population (and it must, if we are to retain a free society). Furthermore, communications metadata (such as email envelopes with your residential IP and timestamp, cell tower logs that reveal your location, or call logs that reveal your social graph) can't be kept secret unless you _stop communicating with people_. It's a non-starter.

The solution is to alter the legal environment such that these large troves of centralized data are much harder to exploit for evil, both by service providers and military intelligence organizations.

Re:Never Trust Facebook by baddox on Monday July 01, 2013 @06:09PM (#5973908)
> How do you apply that seemingly unassailable stance to something like iPhone/iCloud, where photos you take with the only camera you have on you during once-in-a-lifetime-moments are immediately and automatically uploaded to a third party for safekeeping?

I apply it equally. The same goes for VPS, EC2, etc., and (especially given recent revelations) it's clear it should apply even to unencrypted communications over the Internet even between nodes you control.

Re:Never Trust Facebook by EGreg on Monday July 01, 2013 @08:23PM (#5974768)
Do you think if you pay an ISP specifically to not divulge your data to others, and they do, then you should be able to get restitution legally, since they broke the contract?

At what point can you actually have a basis for legal recourse?

Once again the problem is that we don't have decentralized technology that would store our data encrypted and serve it only to those who we have granted access. But we will. Actually the new MegaUpload is encrypted.

Re:Never Trust Facebook by baddox on Monday July 01, 2013 @10:07PM (#5975311)
I absolutely think that you can and should make contracts that provide for restitution, if possible. It's up to each individual what sort of restitution they would require for leaking certain pieces of their data.
Re:Never Trust Facebook by frobozz on Monday July 01, 2013 @07:36PM (#5974501)
>How do you apply that seemingly unassailable stance to something like iPhone/iCloud

A: if you want to keep it secret. How often do people find themselves in once in a lifetime moments that they want to keep secret, and want to take photos of, but only have an iphone with them?

B: iphones are not the only phones with built in cameras. If you care about privacy to that extent, you wouldn't own one.

That said, I agree with you. One example is when Service providers unilaterally change their tos by asserting that continued usage implies consent. This puts too much power in the hands of companies like Facebook, where many users are too embedded not to continue.