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Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by ramblerman on Monday July 01, 2013 @06:22AM (#5969697)
I'm actually suprised Russia,Ecuador, and Iceland were the only viable candidates mentioned for Snowden.

Although not a certainty I would imagine Belgium, France, and Germany would be good candidates also.

Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by JanezStupar on Monday July 01, 2013 @06:30AM (#5969712)
That is because beyond rhetoric. EU countries are mere colonies of the US and EU politicians will not do anything if they do not get a nod from the US.

EU is not independent and is a mere satellite of the US. I feel sorry for feel good hipsters that currently feel superior to the US in terms of freedom and democracy.

Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by ramblerman on Monday July 01, 2013 @06:34AM (#5969722)
"I feel sorry for feel good hipsters that currently feel superior to the US in terms of freedom and democracy."

hmm, not sure why you felt the need to add that part. Were you even responding to my question or just reading off an internal script :P

As far as freedom goes, I can only speak for Belgium, my country. I am certainly envious of the economic freedom you see in the US. We have slid a little too far to the left over here. We also don't have the same level of free speech as the US: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_revisionism_(negatio...)

That being said, I won't be jailed for smoking a joint or experimenting with psychedelics. Our government isn't secretive and elusive in the way yours is and I'm not terrified of ever landing in prison here.

Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by 67726e on Monday July 01, 2013 @06:56AM (#5969797)
> We also don't have the same level of free speech as the US

Don't take free speech at face value. While theoretically you do have free speech, we have a large amount of overly-broad crimes one can commit. If you do or say something that a person of power doesn't like, they can and will use a different law to get you for it. It then boils down to, one being willing to spend years of one's life and absurd amounts of money trying to fight this charge, or just dealing with the charge and hoping it doesn't end horribly.

Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by JanezStupar on Monday July 01, 2013 @06:38AM (#5969736)
This is a general add on as you noticed.

The part about EU politicians talking the talk, but not walking the walk is a response to your comment :D

Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by look_lookatme on Monday July 01, 2013 @08:47AM (#5970207)
I know right? First when the hipster artists moved into my neighborhood I was like, this is ok I guess. Rent went up, but then everything gentrified a little. Then came the artisanal hipster bread makers and hipster coffee shops which were kind of convenient, though a little pretentious I guess.

But when the feel good G7 hipsters showed up, I knew everything had changed. I mean they can't even figure out a simple Kyoto protocol, you know?

Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by dhughes on Monday July 01, 2013 @09:51AM (#5970581)
I'm about wondering about Switzerland being neutral would that be part of considerations when dealing with political prisoners?

And Switzerland is not part of the EU, I'm not sure if that's good or bad in this situation.

Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by ra on Monday July 01, 2013 @10:31AM (#5970860)
I think Switzerland's financial industry is too important to risk by getting involved in this.

Those in glass houses?

Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by dhughes on Monday July 01, 2013 @06:25PM (#5974002)
Possibly, neutrality would work both ways I suppose I never really thought of it that way.