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Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by anon1385 on Monday July 01, 2013 @06:20AM (#5969687)
I'm not sure the protection of the German state is something the US will care about:

Khalid El-Masri (born June 29, 1963) is a German citizen who was mistakenly abducted by the Macedonian Police, and handed-over to the U.S. CIA, whose officers interrogated, sodomized and tortured him. While in CIA hands, he was flown to Afghanistan, where he was held in a black site, interrogated, beaten, strip-searched and subjected to inhuman and degrading treatment, tantamount to torture. After El-Masri held hunger strikes, and was detained for four months in the "Salt Pit", the CIA finally admitted his arrest and torture were a mistake and released him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_al-Masri

Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by zimbatm on Monday July 01, 2013 @07:49AM (#5969976)
Technically they can do it but the political implications would be much different. Snowden is not a no-name citizen, abducting him would create an international diplomatic incident.
Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by andrewcooke on Monday July 01, 2013 @07:44AM (#5969960)
snowden is a white american. americans don't (in general - see reactions here to nsa) care about foreigners (especially coloured ones - guantanamo), but they get upset if a white american is hurt. so this won't happen with him.
Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by artto on Monday July 01, 2013 @07:46AM (#5969967)
Remember Bradley Manning?
Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by andrewcooke on Monday July 01, 2013 @07:53AM (#5969988)
ah, true.

he's gay? maybe that makes him an honorary black? i don't fully understand. any americans here can help me? is there anyone you stick up for? or is it just a big game of last under the bus wins?

Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by pekk on Monday July 01, 2013 @09:30AM (#5970456)
Realize that you are here hating on all Americans, because supposedly they all hate on every minority group.
Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by angersock on Monday July 01, 2013 @10:14AM (#5970742)
If you're going to troll, put more effort into it. You just come off as a jerk here.

At least in America we know how to properly capitalize the language.

Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by trotsky on Monday July 01, 2013 @08:20AM (#5970087)
rich white people
Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by bayesianhorse on Monday July 01, 2013 @08:05AM (#5970031)
It's not so much about race... But this issue goes to show how slippery the slope is once you make exemptions to human rights...
Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by andrewcooke on Monday July 01, 2013 @08:32AM (#5970132)
maybe this is getting a bit off-topic, but i did live in the usa for a while - my partner had a sabbatical at yale. and pretty much everything in new haven seemed to come down to race. where you lived. what you drove. which shops you used. race was by far the best indicator i found for almost anything i cared to think of.

i guess maybe connecticut is particularly racist and as you go further south things are more balanced - i wouldn't know.

but it's not just me, is it? if we're talking about justice then america's legal system is famous for how it discriminates against coloured people. that and its size are what its known for, internationally. it's pretty much designed to kill blacks, right?

so to say that it's "not much about race" seems pretty weird. that seemed to be the defining characteristic of american culture - and particularly its legal system - to me.

i'm sorry if this comes across as america-bashing. but recently i've been told here so many times that my rights don't matter because i'm not american. so it's got the point where, well, we're just being realists, right? compassion, mutual respect, that kind of thing aren't what life is about...

Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by theorique on Monday July 01, 2013 @11:52AM (#5971429)
i guess maybe connecticut is particularly racist and as you go further south things are more balanced - i wouldn't know.

Generally, the stereotype is that the North is less racist and the South is more. Because of the War between the States (1861-1865) - Southern states were slave states and Northern states were free states.

It's more nuanced than that, but that's the main narrative.

Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by omonra on Monday July 01, 2013 @01:13PM (#5972040)
Don't you think that you can substitute 'race' in your description of CT with 'money'? Ie - rich people live/drive and shop in different shops from poor people.
Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks by cinquemb on Monday July 01, 2013 @11:28AM (#5971251)
I posted this here a while back[0], and it speaks to what you are saying… Even I have been treated better by complete strangers in Northern Africa than I do in the US…

We can play all the PC games, but the undertones are pervasive as it always has been here…

In the words of Langston Hughes: "America never was America to me"

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5694314