Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks
by kriro on Monday July 01, 2013 @07:39AM
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The fact that Germany was spied on massively and it didn't seem that they were all that aware of it and the fact that the US has well established channels from the cold war there would mean that I wouldn't exactly feel safe if that was my safe haven.
Would be interesting to create a "how safe are you from foreign nations' assassination/capturing etc. here" index.
For the pairing Germany-USA I'd say not very safe.
Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks
by bayesianhorse on Monday July 01, 2013 @08:10AM
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The CIA can get you anywhere, as can Mossad or pretty much any other agency. Heck, even Libya managed attacks in western countries. It's just that diplomatic repercussions or outright war are usually enough of a deterrent.
In this particular case, the US can't do anything about it. Obama said he won't use fighter jets to get Snowden. If he fails on even that concrete specific and understandable promise, then he can kiss a good deal of American influence in the world goodbye.
Re:Germany says Cold War tactics don't help EU-US trade talks
by gngeal on Monday July 01, 2013 @12:09PM
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Obama said he won't use fighter jets to get Snowden
Meet Suspiciously Specific Denial: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SuspiciouslySpecificDe... (alternatvely combined with Exact Words: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExactWords)
1. This way we can signal we mean it with the democracy thing. 2. We can prevent random despot to claim moral superiority to EU because of granting the asylum. 3. EU is relatively safe from US revenge, unlike smaller countries.