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Re:No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true,... by jussij on Sunday June 30, 2013 @08:26PM (#5967952)
The big difference is the former is just some crappy software, while the latter is about control of the world's food supply.

Given the choice of a world fed on GMO seeds, controlled by multi-nationals, rammed down our throats by governments with their own secret agendas, or the good old fashion natural seeds, I'll take the later any day.

Re:No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true,... by pvnick on Sunday June 30, 2013 @08:27PM (#5967958)
Fine, then don't buy them. But don't be a hypocrite and restrict their access from others who may be too poor to buy organic.
Re:No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true,... by jussij on Sunday June 30, 2013 @08:49PM (#5968016)
> Fine, then don't buy them

If they have a monopoly you no longer have that choice.

The 'big four' biotech seed companies—Monsanto, DuPont/Pioneer Hi-Bred, Syngenta and Dow AgroSciences own 80% of the US corn market and 70% of the soybean business.

They are looking to achieve similar results in the rest of thw world.

The US government went after Microsoft because it was seen as a monopoly in the PC market.

Why doesn't the US government step in to stop this GOM monopoly?

Re:No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true,... by spc476 on Monday July 01, 2013 @03:42AM (#5969281)
The US government has always realized that monopolies can come to be "naturally" (that is, through normal market forces) in an industry. The US government over goes after a monopolist when they attempt to enter or influence a different market by exploiting their monopoly.

The US government didn't go against Standard Oil because they owned 90% of the refineries in the US, they went after Standard Oil because Standard Oil was using their 90% oil refinery market share to control the rail shipping industry.

The US government didn't go against Microsoft because they owned 90% of the PC operating system market, they went after Microsoft because Microsoft was using their 90% operating system market to control the web browser market (along with some other sub-computer markets).

Why isn't the US government going against Monsanto (for instance?) Because they aren't trying to gain control of another industry outside agriculture (or better lobbyists, take your pick).

Re:No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true,... by threeseed on Sunday June 30, 2013 @08:50PM (#5968021)
Give us all a break.

It's so easy to make that choice when you and your family aren't literally starving to death.

Re:No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true,... by pvnick on Sunday June 30, 2013 @08:55PM (#5968032)
Why is this simple piece of logic so difficult for anti-GMO extremists to understand? These technologies literally have the potential, without even being hyperbolic, to save Billions of lives. And these clowns are worried about the providers making an extra buck.
Re:No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true,... by bjourne on Sunday June 30, 2013 @09:55PM (#5968193)
There arent billions of starving people around. Those who do starve, do so not because of a lack of food, but because those who have excess of it would rather destroy it than sell it below market price. GMO wont do jack against an artificial constructed scarcity.
Re:No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true,... by dragonwriter on Sunday June 30, 2013 @09:08PM (#5968066)
> Why is this simple piece of logic so difficult for anti-GMO extremists to understand? These technologies literally have the potential, without even being hyperbolic, to save Billions of lives.

Any description of technology "saving" lives is hyperbolic. Technology can extend lives, or make more lives possible to start, but we haven't yet found any technologies that will actually save lives.

Re:No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true,... by Volpe on Monday July 01, 2013 @12:49AM (#5968715)
... what are you talking about?

Are you arguing the semantics of "save"? Bullet proof vests save lives... Polio vaccines save lives...

Or is that just "extending": "He was suppose to die with a bullet to the chest, so by stopping it, we extended his life"

Re:No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true,... by tomp on Monday July 01, 2013 @05:10AM (#5969520)
> to save Billions of lives

But not in Europe.