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Re:Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections i... by LinaLauneBaer on Sunday June 30, 2013 @08:46AM (#5965588)
Maybe I am misunderstanding you but I disagree that the US runs Germany. Or what do you mean by saying "the US runs the shop since the end of WW2"?

Yes, the US has stationed troops and nuclear missels in Germany but this is far from "running the shop".

Re:Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections i... by subsection1h on Sunday June 30, 2013 @09:41AM (#5965733)

    I disagree that the US runs Germany.
I wouldn't use the word "runs", but Germany often does what the US tells it to do. For example, the German government gave in to US pressure and didn't pass warrants to Interpol for the 13 CIA agents who were responsible for the kidnapping and torture of an innocent German citizen.[1][2]

[1] http://wikileaks.org/cable/2007/02/07BERLIN242.html

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri

Re:Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections i... by Keyframe on Sunday June 30, 2013 @09:01AM (#5965619)
I seriously doubt that even today Germany has a final say without US weighing in first in anything related to their military, intelligence, foreign policies. France on the other hand plays hard ball, I'd like to see something like that escalate in France.
Re:Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections i... by weinzierl on Sunday June 30, 2013 @09:19AM (#5965669)
If you'd ask me a week ago who the U.S. is spying on the most in the EU, I'd told you without hesitation: France. One can only wonder...
Re:Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections i... by cygx on Sunday June 30, 2013 @09:42AM (#5965736)
Basically, the US never stopped spying on Germany after WW2. I'd guess they kept upgrading their hardware during the cold war, and apparently never stopped after its end.

Also, the occupation authorities were instrumental in establishing the German intelligence service from the get-go, liberally making use of the existing NS personnel (Wikipedia[1] lists Reinhard Gehlen, Klaus Barbie, Alois Brunner, Wilhelm Krichbaum, Franz Rademacher, Walther Rauff, Konrad Fiebig, Franz Alfred Six as prominent examples).

[1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesnachrichtendienst#Geschic...

Re:Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections i... by 9h1d9j809s on Sunday June 30, 2013 @09:12AM (#5965651)
I think Germany is fairly autonomous. However the conservative parties are basically US fanboys.
Re:Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections i... by chj on Sunday June 30, 2013 @09:02AM (#5965622)
Interesting. Is the US army inside Germany a left over from cold war? Do they have the capability to own the country if necessary?
Re:Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections i... by JulienSchmidt on Sunday June 30, 2013 @09:28AM (#5965705)
At least not by law http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&ie=UTF-8&u...

And yes, the US army bases in Germany are left overs from the allied occupation after WW II

Re:Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections i... by kaybe on Sunday June 30, 2013 @09:55AM (#5965779)
The Heidelberg base is being abandoned by 2015. Lots of free space for student buildings! :)
Re:Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections i... by Steph0r on Sunday June 30, 2013 @11:19AM (#5966039)
If Heidelberg's administration is anything like Darmstadt's, the buildings will be abandoned and empty but well guarded till they fall into a state of dilapidation. At least by now none of the well maintained and repaired buildings there have been turned into student homes.
Re:Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections i... by dsl on Sunday June 30, 2013 @01:06PM (#5966349)
The US has the ability to take control of any country within 24 to 48 hours. Every year we draw up invasion plans for everyone else in the world. The CIA World Factbook [1] is the unclassified by-product of this effort if you are interested at poking into the details.

As with any other country with a large standing army (Germany sits somewhere between South Korea and France in terms of capabilities), it would probably begin with large scale air strikes with stealth bombers against military targets. Within the first 4 hours, most militarized airfields and radar installations would be destroyed. The ground forces would invade from probably Italy and Poland, both highly US dependent states, assuming that France and the UK would stay neutral in such an attack. You'd probably see some guerrilla warfare because the Germans are strong-willed, but the vast majority of the population is westernized enough to not put up a real fight. But none of this would happen until the US has at least 2 carriers in the Baltic Sea, so Germany would definitely have advance warning, and hopefully the foresight to negotiate.

Germany has no nuclear deterrent, as it simply hosts US missiles by way of NATO [2].

EDIT: This spells it out pretty clearly, the US has more helicopters than Germany has tanks ships and planes combined: http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.a...

1. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/ 2. http://www.rusi.org/publications/occasionalpapers/ref:O4B991...

Re:Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections i... by ojbyrne on Sunday June 30, 2013 @02:52PM (#5966729)
That's all very nice, but while the US seems to be able to invade countries at will, they don't seem capable of occupying even the weakest of countries - Iraq and Afghanistan being cases in point.