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Re:The NSA Can't Tell the Difference Between an American and... by ck2 on Thursday June 27, 2013 @11:06PM (#5955957)
Yeah protests - just like with civil rights, it only took 50 years to end Jim Crow laws which were incredibly outrageous and it looks like it's going to be 50 years since Stonewall before gay people can finally be treated like human beings and marry across (most) states.

So in 50 years they will suddenly agree that maybe the TSA and the NSA are a step too far.

Re:The NSA Can't Tell the Difference Between an American and... by pvnick on Thursday June 27, 2013 @11:10PM (#5955973)
When protests don't work in democratic nations it's because defeatist attitudes keep people home. You know what they say, if you don't try then you've already lost.

As it stands right now this may be our best shot. Y'know... that and sitting around bitching about it on the internet.

Re:The NSA Can't Tell the Difference Between an American and... by shaggyfrog on Thursday June 27, 2013 @11:33PM (#5956055)
This sounds like a red herring to me. Why did you just stop at 50 years? Why not go all the way back to the first recorded instance of slavery? That would make your argument even stronger.

Fact is that the reversal of anti-GBLT laws accelerated immensely in the last few years -- maybe even just the last decade. We're not talking 50-year scales for major societal changes anymore.

Re:The NSA Can't Tell the Difference Between an American and... by gee_totes on Thursday June 27, 2013 @11:59PM (#5956136)
You're cherry picking social movements here. Take a look at how fast the 26th Amendment (mandating the US voting age to 18) was passed in response to the Vietnam War.
Re:The NSA Can't Tell the Difference Between an American and... by a-priori on Friday June 28, 2013 @11:10AM (#5958396)
In Canada, marriage equality started being a major issue in 1995, and things started changing in 1999 when the Supreme Court ruled that same-sex couples are entitled many of the rights of marriage. In 2002-2003 most of the provinces' and territories' courts ruled that they could marry.

And finally, in 2005, same-sex couples gained full marriage equality at the federal level after several drama-filled months in the House of Commons that included one MP (Belinda Stronach) crossing the floor then retiring from politics, attempts to bribe another MP (Chuck Cadman) on his deathbed, and several MPs (including the Prime Minister, Paul Martin, and former Prime Minister, Jean Crétien) being denied communion at their church.

Then it was over. In 2006 the law was upheld in a free vote under a new Conservative Party government, thus cementing the law and ending all serious debate about overturning it.

So really, things changed over the course of 10 years here in Canada (1995-2005), and same-sex couples have had full marriage equality for 8 years now. A whole generation is coming of age now in the time since gay marriage was legalized. People entering adulthood now at at 18 years old were 10 years old when the law was passed -- too young to have been concerned about things like this.

At best, they only vaguely remember that there was once a debate about it. To them it's been legal 'forever'. They hear about the marriage equality debate going on in the states, but even the more conservative teenagers (mostly, ones who have conservative parents) don't understand what all the fuss is about.

Frankly, I don't either.

Re:The NSA Can't Tell the Difference Between an American and... by yread on Friday June 28, 2013 @06:52AM (#5957242)
Hey today it's actually an anniversary of Stonewall riots! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots
Re:The NSA Can't Tell the Difference Between an American and... by anigbrowl on Friday June 28, 2013 @12:04AM (#5956155)
Now you're just wallowing.