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Re:Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden by eatitraw on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @12:04PM (#5940418)
I've checked russian version of Putin's words, he really said that Snowden is still in Moscow.

Also, there is a wikileaks twit: "Cancelling Snowden's passport and bullying intermediary countries may keep Snowden permanently in Russia. Not the brightest bunch at State.".

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/349556329645473792

So he remains in Russia, and he probably has problem getting to Ecuador.

Re:Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden by iandanforth on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @12:11PM (#5940459)
Does he actually say there is no extradition treaty? That is very surprising.
Re:Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden by revscat on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @12:24PM (#5940558)
Think about it: just today Obama said "we're following all of the appropriate legal channels" to get Snowden in US custody. Putin shoots back with "well gee shucks we can't legally turn him over. No extradition treaty!"

Putin is maintaining the moral high ground while using the exact same language the US is.

Savvy.

Re:Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden by codex on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @12:27PM (#5940582)
Lack of an extradition treaty does not prevent Russia from handing Snowden over, or expelling him; it would merely obligate them to.
Re:Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden by dragonwriter on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @12:32PM (#5940613)
> Lack of an extradition treaty does not prevent Russia from handing Snowden over, or expelling him; it would merely obligate them to.

If Russia has a constitutional government with limited powers (which, I think, on paper it does, whatever it may otherwise do in practice), not having a legal basis to detain and hand him over may, legally at least, prevent them from detaining him and handing him over.

Re:Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden by codex on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @01:41PM (#5941143)
What's so fascinating about this, to me, is that Snowden is in the airport without a Russian visa. So is he in Russia, or not? Do the laws of Russia apply within the airport, or not? Whose laws do apply? What happens if you commit a crime in the airport? And if someone is stuck in the airport, with no way to get in or out (a.k.a. 'The Terminal'), or who are unwilling to leave, do they just stay there forever? Are there hundreds or thousands of refugees in the Moscow airport as we speak, unwilling to leave, with no way for Russia to get rid of them? Are there a bunch of terrorists hanging out in the airport, snubbing their noses at the countries that want them?
Re:Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden by mpyne on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @12:42PM (#5940689)
Well, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Russia couldn't detain him for questioning, let him out of the car, now he's touched the native soil and can be arrested on immigration charges and nicely deported to the U.S. embassy. Really seems like one of things where "if there's a will, there's a way".
Re:Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden by dragonwriter on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @12:51PM (#5940746)
> Well, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Russia couldn't detain him for questioning, let him out of the car, now he's touched the native soil and can be arrested on immigration charges and nicely deported to the U.S. embassy.

It wouldn't surprise me if, on paper at least, being compelled by the government to pass out of the area not requiring a visa was not an immigration offense.

It also isn't surprising to me that the government of a sovereign state isn't particularly interested in going out of their way to game their own legal systems to make the government of a geopolitical rival who is publicly threatening them look less impotent and ineffectual.

Re:Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden by narcissus on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @01:16PM (#5940956)
"It wouldn't surprise me if, on paper at least, being compelled by the government to pass out of the area not requiring a visa was not an immigration offense."

So I'm not entirely sure how this squares up with my anecdote, but flying from Sydney, Australia to Vancouver, Canada (did, at some point) require stopping in Honolulu to refuel and take on passengers.

At that point in the journey, passengers were (are?) required to get off the plane and pass through US immigration to continue their flight on to Canada. I know of at least one passenger that was refused passage through US immigration at that point (even though she was forced to go through it and her final destination was not the US) and so she was not allowed to continue.

Like I say, I don't really know how that quite squares up with your comment, but I thought it was "interestingly similar", maybe?

Re:Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden by pfortuny on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @01:37PM (#5941116)
That just shows how scared are the US.

When I was in London, 2002, a Chinese national living there wanted to attend a solidarity camp in El Salvador, in august 2002, organized by the hall of residence I was living in. The flight had a single scale in the US (probably Florida but who knows, it was not a 'stay', just a scale). BOWM: travel forbidden.

Uhu? What?

Just that. NO WAY you are going to fly to El Salvador via the US.

Mmmhh I call that being terrorized.

Re:Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden by mpyne on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @12:53PM (#5940762)
I'm just saying, nothing would really surprise me in international diplomacy anymore.
Re:Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden by eatitraw on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @12:31PM (#5940607)
Yes, he really said this: http://lenta.ru/news/2013/06/25/putin/ (just put the link in the google translate if you want).

Here is my crude translation of the relevant part:

"Considering possible extradition somewhere, we can extradite people only to the countries which have extradition treaty with us. We don't have such agreement with the USA. Snowden haven't committed any crimes in the territory of Russia".

Note: Putin hasn't used the exact formal term "extradition". So he may have spoken of some other type of agreement.

Re:Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden by nivertech on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @03:11PM (#5941696)
More exact translation:

"Considering possible extradition somewhere, we can extradite people only to the countries which have extradition treaty with us. We don't have such agreement with the USA. Snowden haven't committed any crimes in the territory of Russia, thanks God".

Putin's cynicism?

Re:Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden by throwaway10001 on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @12:36PM (#5940648)
So he remains in Russia, and he probably has problem getting to Ecuador.

Maybe no direct flights and other transit countries might arrest him?

Re:Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden by eatitraw on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @12:40PM (#5940678)
You're right, there are no direct flights.

The originally announced path was: HK -> Russia -> Havana -> Venezuela (probably: -> Ecuador).

I am wondering if the US pressed hard on Cuba and if Snowden can reach Ecuador on a private plane.