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Re:America’s Shameful Human Rights Record (2012) by pekk on Monday June 24, 2013 @01:56PM (#5934539)
1. It doesn't defend anything. But a $NATIONALITY implying that the US is worse than their country, or most countries, should acknowledge other countries' abuses from hundreds of years ago when they are complaining about US abuses from hundreds of years ago. Otherwise that comparison and that criticism is not very honest and should be replaced by more broadly scoped statements rather than singling out the US in a way which is essentially dishonest, for propaganda.

Important corollary: it certainly doesn't defend current misbehavior of any other country to invoke ancient problems of the US. If you pay attention, you will see many examples of this. The status of the US as 'world police' seems to make it attractive to defend anything you're doing by saying the US is worse anyway.

1a. No, but that's irrelevant. The US is not Ariel Castro. You can't prove that the Hendersons are a terrible family if their problems are on par with the problems of almost all similar families.

2. How do you propose to 'punish' the US? Who will carry out the punishment? Do you think doing this will improve the US somehow?

If natural cause deaths dwarf murders, then efforts to extend lifespan will likely see a better return by focusing on natural causes than on murders. Similarly, if the average person is much more likely to see serious quality of life issues from natural causes. This doesn't mean nothing should be done to prevent murders, but a choice between two interventions of the same cost should be made based on benefit.

Punishment after the fact is not a reform, it is at best a deterrent and more typically revenge. Applied to international interactions, your 'punishment' is liable to be a war in which atrocities are committed against the 'prosecuted' nation.

If you are going to justify war or massive sanctions against the US then please come out and do so openly rather than beating around the bush with stupid metaphors.

3. When you blame 'Americans' you blame all the Americans. Your argument fails spectacularly when applied to anyone who did not receive inheritance or did not descend from slavers.

4. America can do both good and bad things. The fact that it does bad things (and other things which you just don't like) is not an excuse for censoring good things.

Re:America’s Shameful Human Rights Record (2012) by pessimizer on Monday June 24, 2013 @04:46PM (#5935553)
>they are complaining about US abuses from hundreds of years ago

The range is from zero to two.

>You can't prove that the Hendersons are a terrible family if their problems are on par with the problems of almost all similar families.

I'm going to ignore the tautology here and say that "on par" is a stronger statement than "similar." The US is also not the Hendersons.

>How do you propose to 'punish' the US?

I have no interest in punishing the US.

>If natural cause deaths dwarf murders, then efforts to extend lifespan will likely see a better return by focusing on natural causes than on murders. Similarly, if the average person is much more likely to see serious quality of life issues from natural causes. This doesn't mean nothing should be done to prevent murders

Why doesn't it mean that?

>Your argument fails spectacularly when applied to anyone who did not receive inheritance or did not descend from slavers.

Only if you require that I blame every American, like you just did. I thought I was simply blaming the people who did it, and the people who benefit from it.

>America can do both good and bad things. The fact that it does bad things (and other things which you just don't like) is not an excuse for censoring good things.

I don't hear anyone upset about people saying nice things about America (unless they are factually incorrect.)