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Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by keithpeter on Monday June 24, 2013 @10:14AM (#5932983)
"Lubuntu can comfortably run on as little as 256MB of RAM."

It can although I'd call it jogging rather than running. It can work on a P3 coppermine class laptop very nicely. However, a stock Lubuntu live CD does not come with LibreOffice.

Gnumeric is a nice spreadsheet, but Abiword normally does not have built in facilities for mathematical formulas, or for making drawings. There appears [1] to be no presentation application.

I hope the City are making some training materials available along with advice on installing LibreOffice. LO will jog on a 900MHz p3/256Mb one application at a time.

[1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Setup#Applications

Edit: I should say on P4 upwards or a Centrino laptop with 512Mb it will fly, and run LO fine with multiple applications.

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by D9u on Monday June 24, 2013 @04:01PM (#5935291)
Installing LibreOffice on Lubuntu is so easy that even a caveman (me) can do it.

    1.) Open Synaptic Package Manager.
    2.) Enter Admin Password.
    3.) Type "LibreOffice" into the search field.
    4.) Follow the on screen prompts, clicking appropriately.
All of the various Lubuntu applications I've tried run quite well on my nearly 5 year old Atom N270(800MHz) 1GB RAM netbook.

Seriously, if a user has rudimentary experience with WinXP then Lubuntu will not be too much to assimilate, and the only caveats are proprietary applications, yet there exists workarounds for most, such as comphoilio's netflix-desktop - which uses a special version of wine to run Silverlight and its necessary components - to enable viewing of Netflix DRM content on Debian based systems.

http://www.compholio.com/netflix-desktop/

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by keithpeter on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @01:23AM (#5937692)
Absolutely! But many of the target audience may have very little experience of installing software and may need a screen cam / leaflet along the lines of your instructions. Last time I tried Lubuntu, I had to manually install the appropriate spell checker for my language (en-gb). Many will want ms core fonts as well. I agree the whole thing is one side of A4 with a few scren shots.

PS: Atom based netbooks with 1Gb are much more capable than P3/256Mb, people with such netbooks will have no issues at all with Lubuntu.

I'm running ubuntustudio fine on this Samsung NC10.

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by vanderZwan on Monday June 24, 2013 @06:17PM (#5936119)
"Abiword normally does not have built in facilities for mathematical formulas"

The Xerox Alto had this in 1982[1]. NINETEEN FREAKING EIGHTY TWO. How is it possible that any WYSIWYG word processor is allowed to ship without this?

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODZBL80JPqw

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by girvo on Monday June 24, 2013 @10:37PM (#5937184)
Because AbiWords codebase is so painful, adding it is more trouble than it's worth.

I tried to port it to elementary with a new UI. Dear god.

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by swah on Monday June 24, 2013 @02:26PM (#5934727)
Quite sincerely, I just tried switching to Ubuntu 13.04 (from Win7) on my gaming machine (4GB Ram, some Nvidia card that I can play BF3 very well), and it doesn't "Run" like Windows either.

Chrome is slow to start, videos don't load properly, ejecting the pendrive fails...

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by NoodleIncident on Monday June 24, 2013 @02:58PM (#5934919)
Did you get the proprietary drivers for that Nvidia card?

They can't legally be included in the distro itself, you have to go get them, which is a shame.

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by quaint- on Monday June 24, 2013 @05:20PM (#5935758)
The situation described by GP is so ridiculous that it's unlikely to be true, which is why I wouldn't recommend anyone to waste their time trying to solve the mentioned "problems".

I mean, really, why would anyone switch from Windows to Ubuntu on a gaming machine? Just think about it for a sec.

(Videos not loading or USB not working are issues the OEM are supposed to handle. The fact that someone like GP can't tell even the series of their GPU hints strongly toward them using a prebuilt computer - yet expecting to be able to work as their own Linux OEM, which one could argue is more difficult than being a Windows OEM.)

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by swah on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @07:25AM (#5938669)
(I don't really care about the specific model of the board, because there are dozens to chose from. But I checked my email, its an Evga GTX650 1Gb DDR5. Oh, I avoided ATI because of past problems with Linux.)

Why Linux? Because coding (web stuff) on Windows sucks. Expandrive hasn't been working that well for me, makes explorer sluggish, etc.

Of course I didn't replace Windows - Ubuntu suggests you to install it along Windows (that part works really well these days).

See, the other day someone posted on HN that their Unity experience was bad because they had used a slow computer; I bought that idea and tried on the PC this time. (Then I went to XFCE, as usual. Which also failed on me, as I mentioned about the USB drive problem).

I should have videotaped myself installing and using Ubuntu - its just dozens of tiny UX mistakes that make me mad.

The problem is that everything has to work really well for a "power user" to use a computer happily. I can't believe someone that says the experience/aesthetics of Ubuntu matches that of OSX.

I absolutely don't want anyone to help me solve the problems (they were examples, there were dozens)[1] which you consider imaginary - my algorithm regarding Linux on the Desktop is to come back every 6 months and try it again).

(BTW, VLC works very well, I meant web based videos.)

[1] Small example: When I clicked "Install" on Synaptic, the button state didn't change until several seconds had passed, then the box asking for the root password pops up. By that time, I had already clicked it again several times.

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by swah on Wednesday June 26, 2013 @09:24PM (#5950152)
Not just me:

https://twitter.com/Vryohpah/status/349126411845517312

Actually, opening this very tweet shows me squares instead of characters in some places. (It migh be "my fault" since I installed something called Infinality to improve font rendering. Oh well.)

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by venomsnake on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @12:32AM (#5937542)
Well I did. So far I have close to 100 native games and I have been able to play a lot of recent games with playonlinux. So not bad at all. One of the few things missing is decent Everything clone for linux - something that reads directly from the journal and is able to find files instantly by names without useless indexing of the contents.
Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by Discordian93 on Monday June 24, 2013 @05:31PM (#5935815)
I installed ubuntu alongside windows on my alienware, and I'm quite happy with it, I only switch to windows to play dota 2 and amalur, for browsing, other games and miscellaneous tasks I use linux.
Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by swah on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @07:34AM (#5938693)
Í'm not sure I checked that checkbox - thanks for the reminder.
Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by PavlovsCat on Monday June 24, 2013 @11:07PM (#5937284)
Everybody has different hardware etc., but for what it's worth, OpenSUSE never let me down. So if you feel like you have another go in you before you completely give up on Linux, try that maybe.

As for the videos, if you aren't already, use VLC, it seems to have a trillion obscure codecs baked into it.. I would go so far to say if it doesn't play in VLC, there is either a problem elsewhere, or it's not a video file.

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by mtgx on Monday June 24, 2013 @11:20AM (#5933469)
I think at this point the apps themselves have a bigger impact than the OS. Websites can easily take 50-100 MB of RAM these days, each. Open a few of those, and you can already slow down your PC with low RAM.

All of these "low-end" operating systems should have at least 1 GB of RAM as the bare minimum, and something with a more modern OS like Ubuntu or Windows 7 should use at least 2 GB of RAM, otherwise you have the same problem.

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by tsahyt on Monday June 24, 2013 @05:01PM (#5935648)
What sorts of websites are we talking about here? I understand that some websites have to transfer a couple of megabytes to be displayed (though most of that is media content anyway) but how does that end up occupying 100MB of RAM? That's roughly an order of magnitude more than I'd like a website to take, except for when we're talking streaming media obviously.
Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by peterjmag on Monday June 24, 2013 @05:23PM (#5935772)
Looking at Chrome's Task Manager: my Gmail tab weighs in at 255 MB. Facebook is #2, at 168 MB. All that client-side JS gets pretty heavy.

Interestingly, #3 is the home page of an old blogspot.com blog. It's mostly just text and a few inline images, and it still somehow manages to occupy 132 MB of RAM.

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by rotnewson on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @11:24AM (#5940089)
I'm guessing this is either because of chrome's sandboxed tabs or the amount of RAM you have on your computer (or a combination of both).

Firefox is lighter on the RAM usage these days especially with more tabs because of the sandboxing.

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by com2kid on Monday June 24, 2013 @10:34PM (#5937169)
I use a web IM client, it can easily consume hundreds upon hundreds of megabytes if left open for a few days, and that is just to send small snippets of text back and forth!

About:Memory in Firefox right now, with nothing other than this reply box open, shows JS using 67.29MB and well over 100MB of memory used for other purposes.

(Likely this is left over from tabs I have closed)

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by PavlovsCat on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @04:31AM (#5938206)
About:Memory in Firefox right now, with nothing other than this reply box open, shows JS using 67.29MB and well over 100MB of memory used for other purposes.

(Likely this is left over from tabs I have closed)

I think it's just general overhead, since I have similar figures when starting FF fresh with no tabs.

If you look at "window-objects" under explicit allocations, you can see the memory for individual pages; the page of your parent comment weighs 2.2 MB for me.

But that's without history... when you click links, it will keep the previous pages cached, and I think that is what can really eat a lot of memory real quick. But I would also hope that memory gets released without much of a fuss? I don't know that, but if the RAM is made available when system resources get low, I'd say cache away, since unused RAM just eats electricity for nothing :P

Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by mtgx on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @04:14AM (#5938161)
Just check your processes tab in Windows. Some sites even go over 100 MB.
Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by dllthomas on Monday June 24, 2013 @03:11PM (#5934990)
Eh, just run Lynx...
Re:German City Set To Make Linux A Norm For Citizens by yuhong on Monday June 24, 2013 @03:26PM (#5935094)
This reminds me that the i815 chipset is limited to 512MB RAM total, which was used in lots of P3 systems.